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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 04:16 PM
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Creationism show trial (good piece on the forces behind the KS ID/
evolution battle)

Kansas is gearing up for another major showdown this spring over science standards. The state has been a flashpoint for creationist activity since 1999 when the State Board of Education voted 6-4 to remove virtually all references to evolution from the state science standards. The action brought a wave of concern for the quality of education in the state and, in 2000, moderates regained control of the school board and reversed the plan. However, evolution opponents gained ground in the 2002 elections and retook control of the school board in 2004.

This time, the creationist faction of the board is reportedly planning a trial-like hearing, complete with a court reporter and cross-examination of witnesses. Board member Kathy Martin was quoted in one local paper as saying: "Nothing's on trial, except maybe evolution." Moderate members of the board lost their bid to cancel the hearings, which local press reports are being compared to the 1925 Scopes “Monkey” Trial. The hearings are tentatively scheduled for May 5-7 and May 12-14, 2005.

A Network of Right-Wing Support

A number of right-wing clergy in Kansas, energized by their success in getting an anti-gay marriage amendment on the spring 2005 ballot, have indicated that attacking science education was their next agenda item. "It's a new day for evangelicals," said Rev. Jerry Johnston, senior pastor at Overland Park's First Family Church. Pat Bullock of the Heart of Kansas Southern Baptist Association described the connection between the issues: "Same-sex marriage, abortion, are symptoms of the cause of rejecting a Supreme Being, taught through evolution."

Evolution opponents in the legislature were quick to get into the act, sponsoring a resolution arguing that science classes should give students "the full range of scientific views" on the topic. With unintended irony, the resolution declares, "Objectivity is needed in science education" and tells the board that the state's science classes should teach the “full range of scientific views” on controversial subjects, mentioning biological evolution as an example. It is being backed by the state chapter of Concerned Women for America.


http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=18300
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osiristz Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 04:55 PM
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1. Objectivity is needed in science education?
The world was created in 7 days? Ummm, I don't think there was light until the second or third, so how was there 'the evening and the morning'. And THIS they'll call science?

Objectivity= the Bible says it I believe it and that's that!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 04:59 PM
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2. The Scopes Monkey Trial II
Return to Jesusland.

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 01:27 AM
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3. One thing that rarely comes up
IF ID is going to be taught on the basis of "flaws" in the theory of evolution, then the logical and scientific flaws with ID should be presented as well. How long do you think that would be permitted?

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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 09:31 AM
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4. Since there really isn't any logic or science involved in ID,
probably not very freakin' long! :D Good point.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 02:08 PM
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5. Go evolutionists! Make monkeys out of them!
How can they quote the Bible?
Are they so stupid they don't see that Zeus is the correct god? And their word for god shows their generic idiocy. Get your god a name pilgrim!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 03:46 PM
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6. Speaking on behalf of monkeys, I resent that remark.
Unlike fundies, I have yet to meet a dishonest monkey.
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Biology Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 04:02 PM
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7. trial is just a sham
As a science teacher in Kansas, we've all been requested by the intellectual opposition to boycott the "monkey" trial. It's a sham, pure and simple. It was set up by the fundamentalist board of education and the AG, Phil Kline, with the outcome already decided ahead of time. Remember Phil Kline? He's trying to get into women's abortion records. The Kansas AG met secretly with the 6 fundamentalist members of the board of education, in groups of 3 to circumvent the Kansas open meeting law, apparently to set this whole thing up. They are touting intelligent design, (ID was created in 1990 by a pseudo-science cult in Seattle following the 1987 Supreme Court decision that "creationist theory" was simply creationism with a different name and couldn't be taught in public schools), to get around the word "creationism." Although ID has no real science within it, the board will certainly pass the changes anyway. The changes outlining the new board of education science standards can be found at the following...

http://www.kansasscience2005.com/ProposedRevisions_KSstandards.pdf

It will certainly go to the courts



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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 06:10 PM
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8. As a horrified science-lover, I agree. The whole thing is a sham.
It's especially irritating when they accuse scientists of "not being objective" because they want evolution to be taught without presenting the creationists' "evidence" against evolution. Evidence has absolutely nothing to do with this. It's another attempt at a RW makeover of society, and it scares me.
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