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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:16 AM
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Lurching toward theocracy (signs of a nation drifting towards theocracy?)
Are Milton Mayer's conversations with Germany's 'ordinary' Nazis, Frank Zappa's warning of a theocratic America, and the Christian right's 'Christian Nation' mantra signs of a nation drifting towards theocracy?
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=18817

"No people ever recognize their dictator in advance. He never stands for election on the platform of dictatorship. He always represents himself as the instrument the Incorporated National Will. ... When our dictator turns up you can depend on it that he will be one of the boys, and he will stand for everything traditionally American. And nobody will ever say 'Heil' to him, nor will they call him 'Fuhrer' or 'Duce.' But they will greet him with one great big, universal, democratic, sheeplike bleat of 'O.K., Chief! Fix it like you wanna, Chief! Oh Kaaaay!'" -- Dorothy Thompson, 1935

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security...". -- They Thought They Were Free, Milton Mayer, 1955

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"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter. ...

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it... unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,' that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures' that no 'patriotic Germans' could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.


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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:02 AM
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1. I can see this if people will not wake up
Interesting as I can recall years ago things that the far right were saying and I just laughed at it and said no one will do that foolishness and now it is here. One thing I do re-call very wells is a man on TV who said it was not that we would be a Christian Country but what type of Christians we would be. That sounded like the 15 th Cen. to me and I started to hear these people more and just what they said. The first thing I can re-call is the move into the school boards which they said they would do and have dome.:crazy:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:10 AM
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2. great post, thanks!
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 07:12 AM by ixion
the last line in the piece is part of my sig line! :-)


I've been holding to my claim that this all started with Ray-gun and the so-called 'War on Drugs', which was nothing more than a Trojan Horse to get people used to civil liberty reduction in the name of fighting one abstract demon or another.

So now that it's common knowledge, I really hope it's not too late.



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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:34 AM
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3. Funny how lots of people think it is good.
I hear them all the time saying our President will only do what is best for them.Odd way for an American to think as we just have not been in love with our rulers as I read history.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:58 AM
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4. I honestly can not understand
how so many Americans can complacently sit back and let this country go to hell. Just sign the Bush "town hall" loyalty oaths and keep cheering, just offer up their kids for a "war on terror" against a country that had NOTHING to do with September 11th. Not ask any questions about torture. Just plan the trip to Disneyland and don`t make waves. Chilling.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:08 AM
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5. vocal minority
It's a vocal minority, but it's definitely lurching... (now thinking of Lurch in the Adams Family. lol )

Sue
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:08 PM
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6. Churches should not interfere with govenment.
And government should not interfere with churches.

Period.
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