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pedestrian Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:05 PM
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End to organ donation?
This isn't an April's fool thing, or is it? Can't help worrying. The FReepers are going on about deleting the check on their driver's licenses. Anyway, looks like I really must write down and sign a statement that I want to be considered dead when I'm brain dead. This may not be considered commonsensical anymore.

See http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0405/medicine.men040105.php3

From the article:

"Almost four decades ago, the fallacious concept of "brain death" was introduced to pry open the legal doors to the killing of another group of unnoticed innocents — people who agree to donate their vital organs at death. <snip>

Obviously, removing a person's beating heart kills that person. Sometimes the heart is transplanted and beats on in another person. So, is it OK to take a beating heart from one person, as long as that person is declared brain dead, and transplant it in someone else who might die without it? <snip>

We say "No." In a culture of life, the answer would tend in the direction of preserving rather than taking life."


Any doctors here that can comment on the veracity of this part:

"When a person is truly dead, the brain cells don't generate nerve impulses or EEG signals. But the converse, that no brain signals means no life, isn't true. Many people with brain trauma or oxygen deprivation such as from a stroke or water filling the lungs (pulmonary edema) have had no detectable brain waves yet regain full consciousness later once oxygen returns to the cells. In these people, brain cells are temporarily too weak to generate nerve impulses or EEG signals."


The Pedestrian
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:37 PM
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1. as an organ recipient
I would be dead in their "culture of life"
I got what is called a cadaver transplant. I don't know when it was harvested or anything like that. I am fairly up on the subject and never heard of any live ahrvesting. they disconnect the life support, pronounce dead, then harvest. As far as I know.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:04 AM
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2. Some tissues can be harvested long after death
kidneys can be harvested within a few hours and kept for as long as 24 before being transplanted.

Hearts have a much narrower window, must be harvested as soon as the plug is pulled and can only be held for a couple of hours.

Corneas, skin, and bone can be taken postmortem.

Lungs and livers have about as short a window as hearts do.

I'm not sure about islet cells and bone marrow.

Only a determination that brain death = death has made it possible to transplant major organs like heart, lungs and liver. It would be tragic if the freepers and religious hysterics got the laws changed to force keeping corpses on life support until these organs failed and they died.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:57 AM
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3. Well, they only care about themselves.
And their fragile hold on life - after all, their God is a vengeful God, and they're pretty afraid of him.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:38 AM
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4. Hi pedestrian!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 02:14 PM
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5. Seeing As the Literalists Believed
that they have to be buried whole to be able to rise again, so cremation is out, also organ donation, since how could one live again without a heart.....

....on the other hand, if one never used it anyway, what difference would it make?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 03:18 PM
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6. LOL - LIKE THOSE SELFISH BASTARDS HAVE IT "CHECKED"
WHO THE F*** DO THEY THINK THEY ARE KIDDING?
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 10:42 PM
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7. Grrrrrrrrrrr.
This is "a culture of life"?

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