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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 03:55 PM
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England Fumes over Selection of "Papa Ratzi"
With stunning meanness and unabashed mockery, the British press are lambasting the choice of a German as pope. The catch phrases of the day are "Hitler" "Tank Cardinal" and "God's Rottweiler." In short, the English papers are doing less reporting than seething with rage.

Almost no English paper has missed the opportunity of running a photo of the new pope, Joseph Ratzinger, as he looked as a young boy in his Hitler Youth uniform. Taking a quick glance at a London newsstand on Wednesday, one has the impression that a sort of concerted battle readiness is in the works. In reality, the preparations have nothing to do with godliness and everything to do with power. Particularly the power of a German.

Normally, Brits have a pragmatic approach to religion. One should not forget that this is the place where just a few hundred short years ago a new church was founded because the king wanted to circumvent Catholicism's harsh stance on marriage and divorce.
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http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,352550,00.html
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Mondon Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:23 PM
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1. Well, if they didn't want a German pope,
maybe they should have remained part of the Holy See. Then they could have done something about it.

Sort of like US citizens complaining about the outcome of a British election.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:28 PM
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2. You wrote:
<<Sort of like US citizens complaining about the outcome of a British election.>>

So? We do complain. And we aren't responsible for what people did in this country in the 1700s anymore than Catholics in England are responsible for what King Henry VIII did. And since this Pope interfered in the last presidential election, we have every right to complain if we so choose.
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Mondon Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:36 PM
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3. I wasn't aware that it was
English Roman Catholics doing the complaining. I thought it was a bunch of CofE'ers, who reject Rome anyway.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:54 PM
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5. Maybe the Germans shouldn't have listened to Martin Luther
and they should make no comment on the Pope either? Or the United States shouldn't, since there are more Protestants than Catholics there too?

I wasn't aware that British people would all have been given Cardinals' votes anyway. That's the only way they could have done something about it.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:41 PM
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4. Meanwhile, the grandson of the Head of the Church of England...


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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 06:44 PM
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6. leave it to the foreign press

....to actually have something intelligent to say about it.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:40 AM
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7. I love that term "Papa Ratzi"
very funny
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 11:44 AM
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8. I thunk Fritz is being a bit oversensitive
The Sun was the only paper I saw that had a real go at benedict's past in the Hitler Youth.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:02 AM
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9. A follow up:




First it was the Queen's supposed apology for the bombing of Dresden. Then came Prince Harry's embarrassing penchant for Nazi uniforms. Now the latest furor is the eviscerating way the English press have covered the election of a German pope. Germany's trashy tabloid Bild, itself known for its snarky headlines and nationalist pride, was quick to pick up on the insult and express outrage. Thursday's massive headline -- placed just above the semi-naked Clara, who admits she "likes to drive topless" -- screams "English Insult German Pope."

The insult refers to the field day the British press has had after discovering that Joseph Ratzinger, now of course Pope Benedict XVI, was once in the Hitler Youth. Most British papers -- ever happy to take a stab at the Germans -- couldn't resist the creative combinations to be made with Hitler, Nazi, Pope and Ratzi. The tabloid, The Sun led the pack with its ingenious, but outrageous headline, "From Hitler Youth To Papa Ratzi." Indeed, the photo of Ratzinger in a Hitler Youth uniform was flashed so often in England that within hours the image became ubiquitous. On Thursday, the photo also made it onto the front page of Bild.

Fair or not, the election of a German pope with a Nazi past (albeit very slight) was too much for scandal-hungry British editors to pass up. After all, they got both Hitler and the pope in one story. On Thursday, Bild showed its own relish for playing up the "insulting English" stereotype. The truth is, the latest tiff is but one episode in a long battle between Bild and the British press. The German paper is constantly on the look-out for anti-German slights in English papers (no lack of source material, there) and the Brits are constantly pointing to Bild's screeching headlines as evidence that Germany is getting above its station. The battle doesn't look to be ending any time soon. In addition to poking at the English (albeit this time deservedly), Bild's Thursday paper provides exhaustive coverage on Ratzinger. Indeed, Germany is so pope-crazed that analysts are now saying that the election of a German pope may even be the impetus for a long-sought economic recovery in Germany. Sure. But only if he can also walk on water. Bild also enlists historians to explain away Ratzinger's short spurt in the Hitler Youth. Finally, the paper boasts a large color photo of the new pontiff holding an enormous Bavarian beer -- presumably to show what a decent, down-to-earth, and thoroughly German chap he is. (Never mind the fact that he has spent the better part of 30 years in Italy). Tomorrow Bild is continuing its hard-core reporting by an in-depth analysis of whether the pope was ever in love. (2:30 p.m. CET)
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http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,352651,00.html
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ikri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 08:53 AM
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10. None of the UK articles....
That I've read have been attacking the pope because he's German.

They've attacked him for being ultra-conservative and then brought up his past in the Hitler youth, usually they qualify it by mentioning that he deserted his unit.

Most of the UK couldn't care less about a new pope except that he's a powerful political figure on the world stage.

If he'd been from any country most UK newspapers would have attacked him for his ultra-conservative views.

Its not a case of UK vs Germany, its a case of Liberal Europe vs Ultra-Conservative Rome.
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