Who won World War II?

The Nazi regime collapsed in May 1945, squeezed ever more tightly between two fronts - the Soviet Union on one side and the Western Allies on the other.
But which of these fronts was the most important?


Allied aid to the Soviet Union, from food to lorries, played a vital role
Throughout the Cold War, and ever since, each side has tended to see its own contribution as decisive.

"In the West, for some time... public opinion has taken the view that the Soviet Union played a secondary role," says the Russian historian Valentin Falin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4508901.stm

with British stubbernness, Russian manpower, and American manufacturing.

Think on it:
If England had accepted a negotiated peace in 1940, would America have gotten involved in a Nazi/Communist war? And without the distraction of England/America and massive aid, would the Russians have held?
And if the Brest-Livostk pact (non-aggression between Russia and Germany), could the British have held out long enough for America to rescue them? And if yes, could the Anglo Americans ever return to the continent?

a percentage to what men made?

Women in the U.S. took the spots of the juniormost workers (who were most likely to be drafted or volunteer)... and the habit of keeping statistics on everything hadn't been invented yet.

Feb 2, 1943. The Soviets broke the back of the German 6th army.

I have written about a dozen letters to the editor(s) over the years to say the Red Army was instrumental in crushing Hitler's ambitions and armies but NOT ONE was ever printed. This is not a reality the official US history will ever acknowledge.

That was 95% an American operation.

As for Europe, well--the SU was like Wolverine. It's ability to take a beating and come back fighting was key.

it was aided by the British and American bombing campaign over the industrial heartland of Germany. It helped to disrupt Germany's ability to replace destroyed or worn out machines on the battlefield. Also, Germany didn't have nowhere near the manpower of the Soviet Union and the US combined, and it had nowhere near the resources such as oil and iron ore that the US and the Soviet Union possessed. It was essentially fighting two superpowers.

As far as competitive martyrdom goes, the Russians hold the title. They suffered the most and lost the most on the battlefield, but they also killed more German soldiers than any other nation in the European theater. It is thanks to the horrific sacrifices the Russians made that D-Day operations did not encounter far more German soldiers than were actually encountered.

It can be argued that they did the most to help defeat Nazi Germany, at least on the ground anyway.

1. During the last months of the war, Hitler instructed his retreating armies to destroy all industries and factories in France, Belgium and Holland (as they did in the Soviet Union) but some german industrialists
(Thyssen and Krups) feared that the allies would retaliate and eventually dismantle germany's industry. They convinced the highest ranking generals to
disregard this order (they issued false reports to Hitler about the factories destructions). Had it been carried, quite a few people would have certainly died of starvation in the year following the end of WWII.

The amount of destruction and casualties the Soviet Union had to bear to defeat Hitler (20 millions death or 1 man out of 4 aged between 20 and 60 - 75% of civilian industrial capacities destroyed)explains why it immediately took control over the eastern european
Countries and imposed communist regimes upon them (those countries were to act as shields against any future aggression coming from the west). Ironically
Some countries that joined Hitler's invasion of Russia for fear of communism (Hungary, Romania) became communist countries after WWII...

2. Actually the US fleet helped the KMT to escape from China and to relocate in Taiwan...

Without the US's assistance, Chiang Kai Shek would have certainly been taken by the communists (or he could have committed suicide as Hitler did in order
not the be brought to Stalin as a POW). From 45 to 49 some KMT generals were so corrupt that they sold their US supplied weapons to Mao's armies...

Everybody lost in that one.

As to whose contribution to Hitler's defeat was instrumental, I would say the Russians. On the other hand, it is hard to imagine a scenario where the Russians could have survived without US and British help, including logistics and equipment. It is important to remember how close the Russians came to losing both Moscow and Stalingrad. Could Stalingrad have been converted from a front to a pocket without western made trucks giving the Russians the mobility needed to link up?

Then again, lets don't forget Japan. That was almost entirely a US/Anglo effort.

Because the grandchildren of Hitler's Money Launderers now rule Amerika with unchecked power, and have only to close their fists using the laws they forced through to finish the transformation of Old Amerika to a more Nazi-like (though not directly race-based as it was last time Hitler's henchmen won) Imperial Amerika.

Everything Hitler did was "legal", too.

So, I am forced to conclude, since we are refighting DubyaDubyaTwo with us as the Kinder and Gentler Nazis, and the Busheviks now use Lies and Propaganda in an indentical way as the Nazis did, that over the long haul, the Nazis were the clear victors over Democracy and Freedom.

(unless we can somehow stop the transformation before it is complete)

And we see it everywhere from the Nazi-like contempt of the Busheviks for Liberal Weakness such as compromise and Constitution, the the growing uniformity of Imperial Amerikan Media, which the Nazis would have loved and admired

(and competed for jobs on Faux "News")

The war itself and who won almost pales in comparison to how successful the fascists have been, worldwide, since then.

Just a few links:

Bush Family - Nazi Dealings - WWII to 1951
by John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Politicians/Bush_Nazi_Dealings.html
discussed here (with many more links): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1584497

The Ghost of Adolph Hitler: Nazi Influence in America
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/STA310A.html


Mae Brussell: http://www.maebrussell.com/index.html
MAE BRUSSELL'S PICTURE OF THE PENTAGON - THE SPIDER AND THE ODESSA
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbspiderweb2,21,83.htm


Ratlines: The CIA and the Nazis (Tarpley)
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

CIA's Worst Kept Secret
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html

Project Paperclip and Camp Evans (in N.J.)
http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

Opn Paperclip (Namebase)
http://www.namebase.org/main3/Operation-Paperclip.html


Project Paperclip: Nazi Scientists Who Performed Human Experimentation in the U. S. http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.htm

Project Paperclip and Literal Nazi Connections
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/paperclip.html
Resources on Human Experimentation by Nazi Doctorszi Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html
and Resources on Nonconsensual Human Experimentation
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

Operation Paperclip Revisited: Moral Schmoral By RICHARD THIEME, August 22, 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/thieme08222003.html

Nazis / Recruiting (with names!)
http://www.namebase.org/books43.html



And some related links re the 1940s/50s
Nazi Hydra in America
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html

Newsweek : Bush made his fortune off Killing Jews in Nazi Germany!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=186838&mesg_id=186838

Blood Money -- Nazi Gold (has several different links to stories/articles)
http://jagor.srce.hr/~mprofaca/nazigold.html

Ian Fraser's blog Nov 1, 2004
Election BOOM Day and Rambling History
http://blogspot.mg.co.za/?q=node/101

Banks’ Nazi Connections Exposed by Rob Gowland
http://www.copi.com/articles/nazibank.html

Trade With the Third Reich
Annotated bibliography of 50 books
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/trade_with_third_reich.html
Banking http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/banking.html
(at Holocaust Era Assets, NARA -- main Assets page at http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/banking.html )

The War Years: Part 5: Corporate Traitors
http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/History.htm

Gold Fillings, Auschwitz & George Bush
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm

Chapter - II - The Hitler Project
Bush Property Seized--Trading with the Enemy (Tarpley)
http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/History.htm


Poppy Bush: WWII Hero? Or like father like son?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2323909

BIS: THe World Central Bank
http://www.bilderberg.org/bis.htm

excerpts from the book Blowback: America's recruitment of Nazis,
and its disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy
by Christopher Simpson, Collier / Macmillan, 1988
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Brunner_B_CS.html

OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html

Nazi Hydra in America
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html

MKULTRA
Mindfield (Globe Intel) http://www.gordonthomas.ie/mindfield.htm

The Soviet Union played an enormous role, as did the English, Americans, etc., in winning the war.

Just ask any European who runs Europe today.

It's a good example of war not changing things as much as people think it will.