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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:22 PM
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TREASONGATE: IT'S NOT JUST KARL ROVE
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 06:27 PM by truthpusher
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ucru/20050712/cm_ucru/treasongateitsnotjustkarlrove

TREASONGATE: IT'S NOT JUST KARL ROVE
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By Ted Rall
13 minutes ago
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NEW YORK--Since Karl Rove surfaced last week as the White House official who probably unmasked a covert CIA agent, new developments appear to confirm that the deputy chief of staff and chief Bush political strategist has committed treason:

In 1985 CIA traitor Aldrich Ames sold the KGB the names of every U.S. spy in the Soviet Union in return for $2 million. Arrests and executions soon wiped out America's human assets in the Soviet Union. As they were caught unprepared by one shocker after another--glasnost, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the implosion of the USSR--intelligence professionals suspected a well-placed mole as the culprit. But Ames wasn't caught for another nine years.

Karl Rove, on the other hand, has already been found out as a likely traitor to the United States. Now we must work backwards. Does his exposure help to explain some of the Administration's most baffling foreign policy blunders?

No matter how remote, we must now consider the possibility that Karl Rove may in the employ of, and/or receiving money from, a terrorist organization such as Al Qaeda. Alternatively, could he be in the employ of a hostile foreign government? If he betrayed a CIA agent, Rove is a traitor and therefore capable of anything. Only an exhaustive investigation of his and his associates' anti-American activities, up to and including those committed by George W. Bush, can resolve these questions.

(snip)

National security is bipartisan. Democrats and Republicans may be divided over various ideological conflicts, but all patriotic Americans should be able to agree on a zero-tolerance policy for treason. Rove, those who worked with him and anyone who protected him must go.



complete story: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ucru/20050712/cm_ucru/treasongateitsnotjustkarlrove
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:25 PM
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1. The GOP: "Soft On Treason"
:evilgrin:
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:38 AM
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23. LOL! I can just hear Kerry saying that. NOT!!!
We're gonna have to find some pols w/cahones on this one (other than the Dean), or they're gonna get to crawl back into their coffins and then come back to haunt our kids in 20 years or so.

Gyre
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:25 PM
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2. A might farfetched...Karl in the employ of Al-Qaeda? Sheesh
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:26 PM
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4. they got that part backwards, still...
:evilgrin:

peace
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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 10:00 AM
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34. Exactly my thought!
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:02 PM
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11. well anything is possible with this admin.
just because you think something is far fetched doesn't make it so.

He coudl be working for the Sauds as well. Maybe China? Anyway you cut it every single action and policy that has come from his direction or that he had a hand in is now suspect. Much like everything that this administration has done and said is now needing to be reviewed thoruoghly by neutral observers.

Because heck, they lied us into an illegal and unjust war, what wont they lie about. Same goes for their media surrogates as well.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:48 PM
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13. I suppose joemurphy needs to see a W-2 from Al-Queda
issues to Rat fucker Rove?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:32 PM
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17. Read it as a bit of deliberate rhetorical excess.
If Rover betrayed Plame, he's a traitor. In the past, people who do what he did, did it for foreign governments. Maybe that's what Rove did. Can you be sure?
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:46 PM
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18. That's how I read it too.
Intentionally over the top rhetoric, but backed up with some pretty incriminating evidence.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:17 AM
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25. Sure it is
but any publicity at this point is good publicity.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 06:30 AM
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27. Unfortunately, he doesn't have to be on the A-Q payroll to hurt America
Karl hurts nat. sec. as a part of his day job as dirtbag politico in chief with portfolio of ruining domestic political opposition.

He couldn't hurt America more if he had side employment.

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:25 PM
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3. wow - ap
"Karl Rove, on the other hand, has already been found out as a likely traitor to the United States"

FINALLY

peace
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:26 PM
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5. Now this is a strongly worded article.
yahoo
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:26 PM
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6. That's right, Ted. Turn over EVERY rock! See what scurries away.
Interesting style, Mr. Rall.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:34 PM
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7. i think it's an excellent article. refreshing. opens up a lot of angles.
sheds some possible light. a great way to explain why i've been alternately screaming and scratching my head for 5 years.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:35 PM
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8. When are they going to wheel out the electrodes?
So we can find what else he's responsible for of course. Oh we don't torture people here? Your plane to Egypt is boarding now Mr. Rove. I'm sure he'd like to take the trip many Iraqis have taken.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:39 PM
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9. Curveball and Chalabi, already under suspicion of being Iranian spies
Chalabi 'boasted of Iranian spy link'
Iraqi accused by CIA made claim in 1997, says former inspector

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1224916,00.html

>snip>

Patrick Lang, former head of the Middle East desk at the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA), said the agency was re-examining prewar intelligence provided by the INC in the light of the CIA's findings of a link with Iranian intelligence.

"The people investigating this aren't sure yet, but the investigation is under way, and the DIA are looking through its documents and realising they've been had," Mr Lang said.

"If it turns out to be true, it was certainly a genius operation. created an anti-Saddam opposition to get rid of him, and they got us to pay for it."

<snip>

The GOP sure has a way with money and intelligence...all bad !
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:48 PM
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10. OMG - VOTE THIS UP!!@#$!!! (RECOMMENDED!!!)
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:06 PM
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12. "If he betrayed a CIA agent, Rove is a traitor and therefore
capable of anything."

THERE is a well-framed message for us.

These Bushistas have so divorced discourse from reality that even the word "traitor" has no meaning for them. Here's a great way to bring it back into focus.

Bravo Ted Rall.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:49 PM
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14. Um, is Rall being Rathered?
I *like* the headline: "Treasongate"

I'm concerned about the Al Qaeda reference - this reads 'far out'.

I'm all for well thought out conspiracy theories with some evidence behind them (because groups of people participate in organized illegal acts all the time) but this one is reaching more than just a bit.

:kick:
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AlwaysQuestion Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:53 AM
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24. Not a possibility? Close the door?
Why would you say it's "reaching more than just a bit"? Wouldn't you consider that self-censoring prematurely. Using your logic, there is no need to explore Mr. Rove for possible further treasonous because it's a reach? I just want to make sure I'm reading you right--even though I believe we are both on the same side of the issue overall.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:53 AM
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33. I would not close the door at all --
I would be very careful to collect all kinds of evidence from all kinds of people before making public the possibility of a link between Rove & Al Qaeda. The fact that there are lots of reasons to explore Mr. Rove's participation in other illegal activities - like fraud in the 2004 elections - means that I would focus on those first and report as the evidence accumulated.

:kick:
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 07:54 PM
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15. The fact that there is the possibility Rove is a traitor worries me.
I think he should be suspended from the WH until the investigation is complete. I wouldn't want to risk one minute with a possible terrorist friend and traitor of an American CIA agent. Why is Rove still in the WH? Isn't that a security issue? He should be removed at minimum until the investigation is over. National security is foremost, there is no time for security breaches. For Bush to continue to have confidence with the facts at hand in Rove is unprecedented. For Americans to wait for the investigation to complete is risky. It only took one memo being ignored to bring down two towers and over thousands of American souls the their deaths.
It's time Rove step aside so that we can have confidence that a traitor isn't walking the halls of our WH.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:53 PM
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20. What is the LEGAL definition of traitor
under Federal Law? Punishable by death? Is this the same as treason under Federal Law?
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:43 PM
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21. email that concern to your local newspaper! n/t
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 05:33 AM
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26. Yea Ted Rall!
Now this is what we want to hear. Okay, maybe a little over the top. But, something has to wake the anti bacterial soap washed masses up! The phalats in the soap are making them woosie and unable to focus. I agree that KKKarl must be removed until he is either jailed or found to be totally innocent. Oh, I guess that means jailed. Maybe he should be put in protective custody while waiting his trial.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:00 AM
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30. A traitor walking the halls of the WH? IMO you'd probably have to remove..
the whole darn BushCo Admin and the neo-con Republicans in office as well.
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kittenpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:20 PM
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16. Oh. my. god!
Best. Article. EVER! nominated.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:59 PM
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19. Good Op-Ed piece. Gave it a 5. nt
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:01 AM
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22. I can hardly believe this came from AP . . .
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 12:04 AM by snot
In case you haven't been watching media issues, AP's been pretty darn pro- * for some time.

I saw a thread not long ago to effect that AP was initiating a new practice of producing TWO versions of at least some stories. I forget how they characterized the difference; it wasn't strictly "liberal-conservative", but one wondered if that might be part of it.

So one question I've got is, is there another AP version of this story?
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 09:48 AM
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32. When I originally found the story it mention AP....
....could have been an error - the story no longer mentions AP? I took the AP off the title - it still shows in the "greatest" catagory? Anyhow, I wouldn't put to much thought into it - contentwise, it is pretty powerful stuff.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:13 AM
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28. The irony here is that if a dem administration had outed a CIA agent...
every talking head in the country would be saying these things.
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 07:27 AM
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29. I disagree with the emphasis on Rove+Terrorism
Looking for a possible link with Rove and terrorists would be a diversion from highlighting the IMHO, main area of significance:

Rove undermined national security to get revenge on a whistle blower (Joe Wilson) who was exposing how Bush knowingly used bad intelligence to sell a war that Bush had already decided on at least a year before the invasion. Rove's motive was simple: intimidation and smearing of those who would mess up the plans for pre-emptive war.

I wouldn't be surprised at any level of treachery from this administration. But we need to stick to what we can prove and demonstrate. The above motive is simple and staightforward, and doesn't require that we find phone calls between Rove and Al Queda. We've got the 7 or 8 Downing Street documents, all independently verified by 4 (or more?) large news organizations, and not disputed by any of the people involved.

Proving that Bush lied us into war is the easiest means to victory over the Bush admin.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 08:05 AM
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31. Voted, kicked and nominated!!!
TREASONGATE!!!!!
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