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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:30 PM
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BBC: New Orleans crisis shames Americans
New Orleans crisis shames Americans
By Matt Wells
BBC News, Los Angeles
Last Updated: Saturday, 3 September 2005, 08:43 GMT 09:43 UK

At the end of an unforgettable week, one broadcaster on Friday bitterly encapsulated the sense of burning shame and anger that many American citizens are feeling.

The only difference between the chaos of New Orleans and a Third World disaster operation, he said, was that a foreign dictator would have responded better.

It has been a profoundly shocking experience for many across this vast country who, for the large part, believe the home-spun myth about the invulnerability of the American Dream.

<snip>

But what the devastating consequences of Katrina have shown - along with the response to it - is that for too long now, the fabric of this complex and overstretched country, especially in states like Louisiana and Mississippi, has been neglected and ignored.

MORE
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4210674.stm
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:32 PM
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1. Pssssssssssss. That is the sound of burning flesh.

The only difference between the chaos of New Orleans and a Third World disaster operation, he said, was that a foreign dictator would have responded better.


Please blast this to the media
360@cnn.com
newsnight@cnn.com
situationroom@cnn.com
hurricane@cnn.com
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:52 PM
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2. Amerika IS a Third-World Nation. It has been since 12-12-2000.
And Amerika, the 1% who actually count, that is (forget the rest of us 99%--we're n**gers, to put it politely, or perhaps Filthy Little Nobodies), has No shame to speak, not a single drop beyond the Frech Aristocracy of the 1780s.

Falling on deaf ears, this article, but true.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:22 PM
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13. Yup. That is the truth. Kind of ironic that one of the engineers of *
tyranny died in the midst of all this. And by the way, has anyone located the deep freeze that contains Cheney's corpse?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:58 PM
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19. True that..It's a
Banana republican..
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:15 PM
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3. All you have to do is get rid of the freaks at the top and all will be
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 10:16 PM by applegrove
fine. Just throw the neocons & the GOP sociopaths out of office and you'll have your country back. Corporations still don't actually have a vote. Why they covet patsies so much. But even the patsies are waking up and saying "Hey - this is not okay - this is not how adults behave".
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:16 PM
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4. Beautiful!
No other points need to be made. Ironic that it takes a Brit to nail it.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 11:46 PM
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5. Hello from Germany,
And nothing about this is natural. War isn’t natural; and neither is poverty. That’s what people are dying of, not a hurricane. They are dying of war and poverty. They are consumed with rage because of war and poverty. They are paralyzed with helplessness because of war and poverty. They are twisted and driven crazy by war and poverty.

I can’t help but ponder not just the obvious about the Gulf Coast’s National Guards that are currently off in Iraq, whose members have to sit by helplessly wondering about their own families, neighbors, friends, but about how much relief could be provided, and how effective an evacuation might have been mounted if the total assets of the US military had been available and put to use.

Cuba evacuated 660,000 people in advance of Hurricane Dennis, a Cat 4 that hit them in July, and suffered ten fatalities. That’s because Cuba not only invests in disaster preparation and strong civil defense, but because there is a social committment to medical infrastructure, high literacy levels, and government support of community organizers, to mention a few of the reasons.

We did the free-market evacuation, an unenforceable order for people to leave under their own power after it was too late. Cuba is resource poor. The United States is resource rich. Figure it out.


http://stangoff.com/index.php?p=183



"It is possible to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane. But we've got to start. To do nothing is tantamount to negligence."
Al Naomi, senior project manager for the Corps of Engineers, quoted in the Philadelphia Inquirer, October 8, 2004


http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/20/20848/1.html

There is one right-wing corporate owned newschannel in Germany - N24.
They're showing life-footage from New Orleans most of the time.
I hope somehow that U.S. citizens don't have to watch these pictures.
We'e seeing babies dying, we're seeing people dying from diabetis 'cause there's no insulin available. We're seeing black people in a rage about busses only transporting white people.

Asked about what the consequences for the U.S. might be, even the correspondent for this right-wing channel replied: The U.S.A cannot go on like this. They need a new "New Deal" at last.

Decades of Reagonomics, DLC-neoliberalism and neocons have destroyed civil-society.
Maybe there is a little hope right now that this terrible situation will create a kind of disgust even among parts of the ruling elite in the USA that a new F. D. Roosevelt would have a chance.


Dreaming,
Dirk
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:03 AM
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6. true, Dirk
someone else said it best: New Orleans survived the hurricane; it is republicans who are killing it
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:17 AM
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7. And, lest we forget, NO was a site of some of the most
egregious vote suppression in the last Federal election.

If the government behaves as if it is unaccountable, maybe that's because it is.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:29 PM
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9. "I hope somehow that U.S. citizens don't have to watch these pictures."
I hope we DO. Unsanitized reality in large doses is the only medicine that will cure our national illness.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:02 PM
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18. Well said and quoted, Dirk
They've been doing this during my entire lifetime, in one form or another. International forces have been trying to destroy this country since its inception, but this menace is solidly - as Jefferson once warned us - coming at us from within.


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bring_em_home_bush Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 04:46 AM
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20. We don't get live coverage most of the time, certainly not of that
We need to see those pictures, but of course they will not let us.

I've read several accounts now of whites receiving favored treatment--British and Australian tourists were carefully moved out of the Superdome to another location.

It's sickening and I don't believe there is any hope. This society is screwed up from top to bottom, I've been reading comments on the BBC boards by white Americans from places like Oklahoma that are so ignorant and bigoted and they are hopeless, beyond reach.

As hard as it may be to believe, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:27 AM
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8. What an embarassment. I'm ashamed and I didn't vote for him
any freepers that jump ship I feel sorry for. I still don't think they get it.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:46 PM
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10. I am ashamed because we didn't revolt when they stole two elections.
Actually, it was three; 2000, 2002, 2004, and I wanted to revolt after the first one.

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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:54 PM
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11. If you read the responses
you'll see plenty of Americans still in denial:

"this article is so wrong-headed, it is hard to even begin to criticize it in a short space, other than to say it is written by an anti-Bush foreigner who has little understanding of America. Bush was right: no-one could have predicted when this devastating storm would hit. I don't blame anyone for the tragedies of nature."

These are the minds you must change to save your country.


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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:19 PM
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12. I'm so tired of this "shame" stuff - we shouldn't be ashamed
Americans are raised in shame...we live with shame. International folk don't seem to understand this. They keep wanting to pound "arrogant Americans" down because they don't see that 90% of us are terrified creatures hiding in our neighborhoods...we don't even known our own neighbors. We KNOW this government will eat us alive.

No one here in Lalaland is in the least surprised (not REALLY) by what happened in the south. Americans had it happen (with the world's complicity, because it served everyone's interests) under Reagan and Poppy Bush. Now it's happening again. These guys are sociopaths - they don't give a damn about the rest of us. The south has been trampled down numerous times. This is no surprise to southerners either.

I'm tired of shame...I've had enough of it in my life. It's time to get angry with outrage and demand some support from abroad for the average American and not merely for American policies that benefit foreign interests, and not this continuing need to destroy something that doesn't exist - namely our "national pride". The only people who need to hear this - the freepers - aren't listening.

Okay, end of rant.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:43 PM
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15. Oh, Melody...
:hug: What you say is true. But you cannot "demand" anything from those upon whose heads your gubmint has been pissing. Many offers of aid have been made. VERY EXPERIENCED TEAMS. Crews are loaded up and on standby. Your *Dauphin has REFUSED THEM. Get RID of him and his merry band of thieves.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:42 PM
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16. MY Bush dauphin?
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 08:56 PM by melody
Why do people assume that if you love your people, you love your President? I would like nothing so much as to see the man taken away in shackles to a permanent hole in the ground. I knew I shouldn't have posted such a defensive rant this close to the event...way too many Yankophobes about.

I'm not "demanding" anything, Karenina. And this is NOT my government - we didn't vote for this man TWICE. I'm asking for sympathy for the people, not for the government - the people are the ones being abandoned out in that near-swamp. Are THEY responsible for their own peril? Those poor and sick and disenfranchised people are the ones we should stop beating up on, I'm saying. Or is it impossible for people to see the difference between government and people anymore?

If anyone is to blame, it's the mega-wealthy *multi-national* individuals, many of whom aren't being "shamed" by anyone. The vast majority of Americans struggle every day just to provide for their families. They have no power over anyone.

I've been posting all over this board about Chimpy's sneering at international offers for the last six days. BTW, I find it very tacky to use a hug as a snide remark, but that's just me, I guess. :(
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:02 PM
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14. Where have I heard this before?
When President Bush told "Good Morning America" on Thursday morning that nobody could have "anticipated" the breach of the New Orleans levees ..

Oh, I remember. 9/11. Nobody could have anticipated hijackers using airplanes as missiles. Disingenuous then; disingenuous now. The difference is that now, four years since 9/11, the American people are on to Bu$h's cruel, criminal shit. May he and his cabal be disgraced, cashiered, and convicted .. post haste.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 08:58 PM
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17. Twice self-appointed military junta
His myopia is very convenient, isn't it?
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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 05:04 AM
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21. Will * tell his sick 'trifecta' joke again?
nt
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