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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:23 PM
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Krugman and Herbert beind a pay-wall starting today.
Isn't that special, you now have to pay to read Krugman and Herbert. So don't expect any more DU links, Times!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:25 PM
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1. and Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 10:28 PM by Pirate Smile
edit to add - I can't believe they couldn't do a demographic search of who accesses them online and sell advertising based on it - like Salon - pay or watch an add. They are limiting the importance of their columnists with this move.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:44 AM
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27. The newhoretimes should be
made accountable for this. They should be picketed..why are they doing this?
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:27 PM
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2. "Jim" gives a great link to Krugman's work in this posting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4815505
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:34 PM
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20. I got both Krugman and Herbert thanks to this
Jim :yourock:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:28 PM
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3. I guess we will have to print similar quality here....
We have some very good writers also....and it's free.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:30 PM
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4. Any of the pro-bush columnists on pay-per-view too? Or just the
ones critical of the administration?
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:34 PM
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5. All NYTimes columnists are now viewable by subscription only.
To the newspaper's subscribers, or to those who purchase an annual online subscription to the columns.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:40 AM
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23. 21st century, you now have to pay to read the truth. If you can't afford
to pay to read the truth, you can easily be brainwashed by free conservative hate radio 24/7. The NYT has made a huge mistake. It's 21 century censorship.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:04 PM
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25. I guess they thought that after
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 01:04 PM by Uncle Joe
enabling the corrupt incompetent ones to power to begin with, that it's in for a penny in for a pound. Information or knowledge that enlightens the American People as to the truth, is too dangerous to be free.
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:42 PM
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6. Times Select
Please see this thread in General Discussion about the same topic. It appears that many DUer's don't understand this change. For 11-14 cents/day you also have free access to (100) archives
downloads/month as well as access to several sections of the
Sunday edition on the preceding Wed and Fri. I think it's an okay
deal, and may well be the future of media which have to maintain significant in-house and in-the-field staff.

The "anger" expressed in several comments here is mis-directed, IMHO.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4815505>
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:14 PM
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18. I think it's an okay deal, too
I don't mind paying for high quality content.

My only bitch is that it should also entitle you to ALL the NYT x-word puzzles! Will write letter to NYT suggesting this.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:46 PM
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7. A not so subtle "mistake" by the NYT
Their stated view is that online readership will drop and thus the rates they are able to command for online advertising for those pages will drop as well. They have said that after a short period, the online subscription revenue will offset the decreased ad revenue. It seems an obvious mistake on a number of levels and especially because there are other successful online ad models for high traffic sites that could keep the content free. Even though they wear the fig leaf of charging for the right wingers as well as Krugman and Rich, it could still be a way to muzzle these writers without appearing to do so.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:31 PM
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8. I'll just have to pick up old left behind copies of the Times at
my local coffee shop. :-)
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:41 AM
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9. If we had any sense
we'd refuse to spend another penny on they NYT till they stop this practice of greed. You have the best idea.
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rivertext Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:46 AM
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10. now is a good time to visit the Krugman archives !!!!
I'm going to play it safe so no one feels tempted to delete this message. I'm just going to repeat what I said in the title.

If you haven't done so already now is a good time to visit the Unofficial Paul Krugman Archives:


http://www.pkarchive.org/
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rivertext Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:53 AM
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11. And Krugman's latest column is a must read.
In his latest column Krugman talk about how not only is the resurgence of the Republican party in the second half of the 20th century linked to racism, Reagan and Bush, whether personally racist or not, both won by deliberately tapping into the new Republican party's racist foundation.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:35 AM
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12. Spot on, rivertext. Maybe want to post that as its own thread.
Thanks for the link. I just picked that up via atrios.

By the way, I think I met you at a party at Steve & Mitzi's several years ago.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:16 AM
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13. NYT bungles access to site
I can completely understand the frustration of having to pay for what was free for a long time.
But I'm really incensed that, as a subscriber to the NYT, I can't access their BS "TimesSelect" site either!!
The angry e-mail I composed to complain didn't go through either due some bullshit "server problems". I bet, they're probably getting blasted by other irate, and now, former subscribers as well.
NYT, take your "select" and shove it up your old gray ass.
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The Icon Painter Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:30 AM
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14. Not to Worry
Krugman is usually chosen for the Smirking Chimp site, as are the other reliables at the NYT site. I have not checked yet but I doubt that will change.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:21 AM
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15. It's worth the $50
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 09:22 AM by WilliamPitt
Pretend you've gone back in time a few years and actually have to pay for a subscription. I'm frankly amazed it has taken papers this long to charge for services. No one stays in business for long giving things away for free.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:05 AM
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17. They already charge for their archives,
as do many other newspapers. Many, including the Times, didn't bother to properly acquire copyrights from writers before reselling works--nor did they share profits with the creators. As a plaintiff in the copyright class action lawsuit against publishers and databases, this is a sore point with me!

Personally I wish they'd leave the current week's materials available free for public education purposes and only charge for archived materials. In any case, the authors ought to receive a share of the profits from selling online works.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 02:41 PM
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19. I think it's a pretty good deal.
I can't believe all of this stuff has been free for so long.

I copied Krugman and Herbert and e-mailed them to my mother. So, two for the price of one.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:29 AM
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22. Baloney.
Advertising, not subscriptions, pays the lion's share of the bills for newspapers.

Just as it is with other types of media.

Can you imagine if EVERY paper in the country charged for online content? That would be the end of the internet overnight.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:43 AM
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16. It looks like Judy Miller's front page fiction will still be free
Democracy takes another blow when citizens have to pay for information.

Not that the mainstream media have been informing citizens the last few years, anyway.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:24 AM
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21. Salon's Daou Report
has a link to the Herbert column from the NYT.

Methinks this experiment of pay-to-read will be a flop.

And yes, the Times, like many newspapers, charges for its archives, so I don't see the point of charging to read their paper.

There are papers like the Columbus Dispatch, Tulsa World, and the Albuquerque Journal which are almost entirely pay sites, and I seldom bother even looking at their sites as a consequence.
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:10 AM
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24. If you pay to read the archives are free
It works out OK for me because I get daily home delivery so for me, this is a better deal because now I don't have to pay for the archives- my subscription covers all the on line stuff. For people who don't live in NY and don't get home delivery, it kinda sucks. I guess their theory is that they deliver in so many places that you can get it if you want it almost anywhere. I got home delivery of the Times in Boston 20 years ago.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:50 AM
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28. So, the Bullshit is Free..
and charging for the Truth?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:10 AM
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26. Charging for archive access is reasonable--
--don't think it is for current stuff. The Salon protocol seems to be the best option here.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:08 AM
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29. I Wish My Local Papers Paid for the NYT Columnists
I read paper copies of two local dailies everyday. I wish they would print the NY Times colunists more often. That would avoid the problem if the local papers would pay the NYT to reprint the work. However, the quality of the columists in my local paper has declined -no Krugman and too much Goldberg.
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