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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 09:25 PM
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Time Mag: Bombshell ( Pattern of Abuse Military in Iraq and Afghanistan)
Edited on Fri Sep-23-05 09:50 PM by Synnical
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1108972,00.html

Web Exclusive | Nation

EXCLUSIVE: A decorated Army officer reveals new allegations of detainee mistreatment in Iraq and Afghanistan. Did the military ignore his charges?

By ADAM ZAGORIN


Posted Friday, Sep. 23, 2005
The U.S. Army has launched a criminal investigation into new allegations of serious prisoner abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan made by a decorated former Captain in the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, an Army spokesman has confirmed to TIME. The claims of the Captain, who has not been named, are in part corroborated by statements of two sergeants who served with him in the 82nd Airborne; the allegations form the basis of a report from Human Rights Watch obtained by TIME and due to be released in the next few days (Since this story first went online, the organization has decided to put out its report; it can be found here). Senate sources tell TIME that the Captain has also reported his charges to three senior Republican senators: Majority Leader Bill Frist, Armed Services Committee chairman John Warner and John McCain, a former torture victim in Vietnam. A Senate Republican staffer familiar with both the Captain and his allegations told TIME he appeared "extremely credible."

The new allegations center around systematic abuse of Iraqi detainees by men of the 82nd Airborne at Camp Mercury, a forward operating base located near Fallujah, the scene of a major uprising against the U.S. occupation in April 2004, according to sources familiar with the report and accounts given by the Captain, who is in his mid-20s, to Senate staff. Much of the abuse allegedly occurred in 2003 and 2004, before and during the period the Army was conducting an internal investigation into the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, but prior to when the abuses at Abu Ghraib became public. Other alleged abuses described in the Human Rights report occurred at Camp Tiger, near Iraq's border with Syria, and previously in Afghanistan. In addition, the report details what the Captain says was his unsuccessful effort over 17 months to get the attention of military superiors. Ultimately he approached the Republican senators.

The Human Rights Watch report—as well as accounts given to Senate staff—describe officers as aware of the abuse but routinely ignoring or covering it up, amid chronic confusion over U.S. military detention policies and whether or not the Geneva Convention applied. The Captain is quoted in the report describing how military intelligence personnel at Camp Mercury directed enlisted men to conduct daily beatings of prisoners prior to questioning; to subject detainees to strenuous forced exercises to the point of unconsciousness; and to expose them to extremes of heat and cold—all methods designed to produce greater cooperation with interrogators. Non-uniformed personnel—apparently working for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to the soldiers—also interrogated prisoners. The interrogators were out of view but not out of earshot of the soldiers, who overheard what they came to believe was abuse.

Specific instances of abuse described in the Human Rights Watch report include severe beatings, including one incident when a soldier allegedly broke a detainee's leg with a metal bat. Others include prisoners being stacked in human pyramids (unlike the human pyramids at Abu Ghraib, the prisoners at Camp Mercury were clothed); soldiers administering blows to the face, chest and extremities of prisoners; and detainees having their faces and eyes exposed to burning chemicals, being forced into stress positions for long periods leading to unconsciousness and having their water and food withheld.



Heads up and tip of the hat to http://thetruthis.us/ if this indeed LBN.

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale
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Dharma_Bum Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 09:28 PM
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1. SPEAKING OUT AT LAST!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:35 PM
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21. "Web Exclusive" wonder why that is? Wonder if they'll cover it in depth
in their next print issue...
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 09:50 PM
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2. About time
Please look at this link. I wonder if these soldiers will regret what they've done.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-21/news/news.html

The comments below the dead Iraqis are sociopathic.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 10:00 PM
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4. gaaaaaAAAA!!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 09:58 PM
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3. This whole administration needs to be hosed in two ways.
First, hold the nozzle in their mouth till they drownd...then revive them...repeat...repeat...repeat!!!! Then hose them over the back and chest until they admit every lie and criminal act they committed. The first lie I want them to admit to is that they stole the elections in 2000 and 2004 and planned on doing the same in 2008.


I can't believe the asshole in office reduced me to saying things like this!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:09 PM
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10. and do you know what's sick?
Because of these bastards in office, you can arguably say that you are acting in the spirit of the Geneva Conventions according to both our Secretary of Defense AND our Attorney General.

"Water-boarding", the humane way to torture. :sarcasm:
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 11:10 PM
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11. and do you know what's sick?
Because of these bastards in office, you can arguably say that you are acting in the spirit of the Geneva Conventions according to both our Secretary of Defense AND our Attorney General.

"Water-boarding", the humane way to torture. :sarcasm:
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jde0907 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:31 PM
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20. stole the elections?
you are stuck on stupid.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 07:46 PM
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22. Oh, go crawl back under your bridge.
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 10:11 PM
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5. Wow. Could really snowball.
Sounds like all the victims of shrubco are starting to storm the walls. Abu Ghraib, Abramoff, Delay's PAC, Plame, Disastergate, Diebold, HRC, Able Danger, . . .

"Help, Uncle Dick!! I can't keep up!! Uncle Dick?? Hello? Uhhhh . . . uh oh.. . "
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 10:14 PM
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6. Just showed up on Yahoo. Weekend news dump time!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 10:15 PM
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7. Bush: "Just like we're treating the prisoners we've taken: Humanely."
-From the film "Control Room".
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 10:22 PM
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8. Maybe the judge that is debating himself
over how to rule on the release of the Abu Ghraib photos will see this story and understand that only the truth will begin to allow us to fix this.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 10:41 PM
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9. Tell us all about that "noble cause" Mr. President
I'm sure the perpetrators of the Katyn Forest massacre thought they'd never be found out. Is this what our military and our country have come to? We're so blind with terror, held in thrall by a cabal of robbers, rapists, murderers and thieves that this kind of procedure seems to make sense?

There's no way this goes anywhere but straight to the top; this isn't just some rogue element acting out here.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:00 AM
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12. more sad days for the US "image"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:01 AM
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13. nominated
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:15 AM
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14. Yes, Yes, Yes, now the deceit people are stepping up to the plate!
The truth from those who would know can not be defeated.
Now the country will hang their heads in the shame of it all over again but perhaps now action will be taken.

:kick:
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:22 AM
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15. Sounds as if the military is full of psycopathic personalities. n/t
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:26 PM
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18. Yep, Purged of real military leaders with knowledge and foresight
nt
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:25 AM
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16. What really, really PISSES me off about this..
is not long after 9/11 and just before the kick off to the Iraq War, I saw some media interviews with young soldiers who were more than likely heading to Iraq. In many of the interviews, these young impressionable soldiers were making comments that they certainly had LEARNED from other people - "we're going to go get a little pay back for 9/11", "I'm going to avenge the murders of those in 9/11" and so on.

So what really pisses me off about all this abuse is that somewhere many, many soldiers have been led to believe many things from those they should not be learning from.

Now, don't get me wrong = I'm not condoning the abuse and torture of people at all, nor am I saying that there is an excuse for it. My point is that ever since 9/11, many of our government and political fools have been preaching about how psychotic and less than human Muslims are and how they deserve to be executed on the spot and the like.

It's almost like that years ago college/prison/sociology experiment where students were separated into guards and prisoners and the students who were the guards were told to treat the student-prisoners how they thought guards should treat them. Before long the study had to be stopped because the student-guards became too brutal.

Until accountability is held somewhere, anymore none of this abuse should surprise us at all.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:41 AM
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23. Google "Stanford Prison Experiment."
I used it and Stanley Milgram's obedience experiment as the basis for a final exam in my composition course last fall.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:22 PM
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17. kicking and recommending
this is a must read
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:29 PM
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19. Doesn't this support the ACLU Arguments?
That revealing information and photos of these incidents is instrumental to holding those responsible to account and preventing re-occurrences!
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