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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 06:55 PM
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"The Collapse of Globalism"...John Ralston Saul (the Anti-Tom Friedman)



THE COLLAPSE OF GLOBALISM: And the Reinvention of the World
by John Ralston Saul
Reviewed by Paul Kennedy:

Most readers will know the apocryphal Indian story about a group of blind sages being brought to feel the various parts of an elephant and then to describe what it is they are feeling. One savant strokes the elephant’s rough leg and declares it must be a tree, another feels the tail and insists it is a snake, and so on. None of them can comprehend the totality of the beast.

Most scholars examining today’s volatile political and economic circumstances resemble those India sages in that they — and I plead guilty here — focus upon one particular part of the story and tend to ignore (or at least downplay) the others. Some assemble facts to prove that China is an enormous investment opportunity; others contend that it is a vast and growing military threat. Certain scientists warn us that we are on the brink of ecological collapse, but their conservative critics declare the evidence to be too murky to tell. What is the poor layman to do?

Nowhere does our present intellectual Tower of Babel appear more in contention and confusion than in regard to the matter of globalisation. This is no mere academic dogfight, because entire political parties, indeed whole countries, have seized upon the question of whether the completely free exchange of goods, capital, ideas and people is a benefit — or a deadly threat.

There are few middle-of-the-road voices to be heard here. Egged on, one suspects, by their publishers, authors participating in this debate tend to advance a more extreme — or, shall we say, more dramatic — picture of events. Just recently, the foreign-affairs correspondent of The New York Times, Thomas Friedman, published his new book The World Is Flat: A Brief History of the Globalised World in the 21st Century. Deeply impressed by the communications revolution and the free flow of capital, and reinforced by interviews with high-tech entrepreneurs from Boston to Bangladesh, Friedman argued that globalisation is intensifying, making societies ever more “flat” — that is, conforming more and more to free-market western practices.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2102-1616368_1,00.htm
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The Collapse of Globalism Mother Jones Magazine....

The current wave of globalization has its origins in the economic crises of 1970s, when the industrialized economies, after three decades of steady growth, began to flounder, beset by persistently high unemployment and inflation, and governments began casting around for an alternative to the Keynesian orthodoxy that had dominated economic thinking since the end of the Second World War. They found that alternative in a (hitherto fringe) school of thought associated with Friedrich von Hayek and, later, Milton Friedman, one premised on the notion that in matters of economic management government was the problem, not part of the solution, as Keynesianism had it.

Central to the new thinking—taken up famously and with particular fervor in the 1980s by Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan—was the the idea that market forces work best and to everyone's benefit when government stands aside. Left alone, such forces would inevitably unleash waves of trade, which would in turn generate a tide of growth, raising all ships in both the developed and developing world. Deregulation and privatization were the watchwords of the day.

Developing countries were effectively forced to open up to foreign trade and capital—for their own good. On a global scale, the embrace of what fast became a new orthodoxy promised an impressive array of social and political benefits as trade barriers fell and international markets were freed from the dead hand of government: the power of the nation-state would wane; nationalism and racism would fade; economics, not politics—and certainly not religion—would shape human events. Free markets and free democracies would become the norm in an interdependent, peaceful world held together by the magic of enlightened self-interest.

However, as John Ralston Saul argues in his new book, The Collapse of Globalism, things didn't work out quite as planned. The past three decades have been marked by unimpressive economic growth and sharply increasing economic inequality, and recent years have seen a marked rise in economic populism, nationalism, and conflict, much of it within states. The Asian financial crisis of 1997-98 pointed up the instability of the global economic system, and, in 1998, the talks on the Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI) collapsed. In 1999, the WTO conference at Seattle drew huge protests that derailed the talks. As the failure of last week's free trade meeting in Argentina showed, developing countries, having gradually and painfully discovered that globalization, at least as currently conceived by the industrialized countries, has been something less than a boon, are no longer willing to open their markets with no questions asked, on terms dictated by the United States and other industrialized countries.

Saul, a Canadian, writes that the collapse of free trade orthodoxy has left us in a vacuum, unmoored from the (spurious) certainties of yesterday's economic fundamentalism but lacking a better framework for thinking about economic arrangements within and among states. The task of figuring out what that framework might be requires, first of all, that the proponents of globalization admit that there's a problem with their model, which many have been unwilling to do.
Saul is the author of many books, including Voltaire

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:02 PM
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1. What is the purpose of a nation?
Is it a quaint, outmoded concept? Why were nations formed? Why do we maintain them at the cost of our lives? What is the purpose of OUR nation?

Is it really to "stand aside" and let corporate monsters destroy the health of our people and the wealth of our resources? Is that the purpose of a nation?

WHY do we pledge allegiance to our flag? To have our government DO NOTHING?

"The business of America is business." Most of us have read that somewhere. Uh huh. That's our business. But what is our PURPOSE? WHY do we keep busy with work?

It's time we ask, and consider the answers.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:16 PM
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2. how are corporations accountable?
we have to reassess the identity of corporations if we are to survive.

and it seems to me that the whole system that the stock market is set up is in some serious need of tweeking.

making googobs of dough without working for it has to be reevaluated.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:48 PM
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6. Accountable to what?
We can't act to make corporations accountable until we know what we need them to do.

Does our nation, all its people and all its resources, exist to service corporations in a "service society"? Or does it have another purpose?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:48 AM
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12. you said it better than me.
corporations along with wall street NEED to be redefined.

how they are legally set up so that we can define from the get go what a corporation is -- and who/what they are responsible to.
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 07:24 PM
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3. The purpose of a nation
is to compete with, prey on, attack, defend itself against, invade and generally assert its superiority over other nations. It's the vehicle of mankind's arrogance, pride, aggressiveness and greed. As such, it's natural host for corporate arrogance, pride, aggressiveness and greed. Or their natural creation.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:04 PM
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4. I think if one boiled what you say down to the essence...it's Friedman,
Krystol, Norquist and those who've been the "Power Behind the Scenes" since Nixon. :shrug:

I'm not really wonky enough to get into a real intellectual debate about this...but I think that this John Saul has some interesting viewpoints.

Saw him on C-Span Bookfair...and did a lot of reading today of his articles. As a Progressive/Populist...his ideas appealed to me as fresh fodder for dialog. :shrug:

We need some new ways of thinking. This guy seems to ramble over everywhere to make his point...but the "points along the way" were really kind of interesting.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 09:40 PM
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8. Friedman and his World is Flat book mentioned in the article...
"Friedman is barely worth considering. It's basically one of those 'How to succeed' books; it's very embarrassing, frankly. "
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 08:44 PM
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5. Or...
It is a compact among its people to help each other survive the land, sea, sky, and other people.

And if it is such a compact, are we fulfilling it?
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 09:14 PM
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7. I wake up and fall alseep
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 09:17 PM by NoMoreMyths
everyday asking those same questions.

Outside of arbitrary borders drawn on maps a long time ago by strong centers of power for the sake of acquiring more power, I don't know what the purpose of a nation is. Look what the world powers have done over time to this continent, Africa, South America, the Middle East, etc.

"WHY do we pledge allegiance to our flag?"

Always a good question. I guess it's for the same reason most of us do most of the things we do; we grew up being told it was what we needed to do, and by the time we're old enough to actually think about it, it's just so routine that we just keep doing it.

"WHY do we keep busy with work?"

Because the people who brought you civilization need to make sure you don't have time to ask questions. See, they create the construct of time, then steal it back.

I'm not a fan of civilization. I'm not a fan of the bigness of human institutions. In my mind, a decentralized world on a human scale could work. True, you wouldn't have the luxuries of today. On the other hand, you wouldn't have the mass terror that the state and the corporation can bring. If "managed" correctly, anything can work. But things aren't always "managed" correctly.

I know things won't go back that way, at least voluntarily. The whole toothpaste in the tube thing. Either we run out of the energy that is required for civilization to continue getting bigger, or we end up with one corporate goverment owning the planet, since that's how power works. Power naturally centralizes and consolidates, and has been doing so for thousands of years. At times quickly, at times slowly, but it gets there in the end. We may or may not have "freedoms", but as power has learned, it doesn't have to clamp down on "the people" to rule.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 09:57 PM
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9. The Think Tanks, NeoCons and Beltway Insiders have sapped our
creativity out here. We need some new ideas. We are tired and we need a new focus after decades of the same old crap. :shrug:

The Bushies and Norquists have been proven WRONG!!! So, what do the rest of us have to move forward with? We need a philosophy that is fresh. We probably need to look at other ideas. This is a real chance for change.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:27 AM
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15. Once again, I'm reminded of Bill Hicks (strong language)
"I was over in Australia and I was asked, 'Are you proud to be an American,' and I was like, 'I don't know. I didn't have a lot to do with it, you know. My parents fucked there, that's about all. You know, I was in the spirit realm at the time. "Fuck in Paris! Fuck in Paris!" but they couldn't hear me, cos I didn't have a mouth. I was a spirit without lungs or a mouth or vocal cords. They fucked here. OK, I'm proud. I hate patriotism. I can't stand it, man. Makes me fucking sick. It's a round world last time I checked, OK? You know what I mean? I hate patriotism. In fact, that's how we could stop patriotism, I think. Instead of putting stars and stripes on our flags, we should put pictures of our parents fucking. Gather people around that flag and see your dad hunched over your mom's big four-by-four butt. See if any boot rally mentality can circle round that little fucking image."
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:07 PM
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10. "completely free exchange" of goods, services, capital?
Where on earth has that been tried in modern history? I don't know of any.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:34 AM
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11. kicked/recommended n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:12 PM
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13. ttt n/t
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:47 AM
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14. The problem is that Reagen an the repubs were lying.
And they still are.

Free Trade is just a catchphrase. There is nothing the US and its elites would hate more than free trade. Empires arent built or sustained on free trade, they are built and sustained on exploitative trade and Washington certainly hasnt forgotten that.
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