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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 02:58 AM
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"We are deputizing the military to spy on law-abiding Americans....'


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051127/pl_afp/usmilitaryintelligence&printer=1;_ylt=AtpC_.iL8OHJ22Tp8JHWeqmtOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
Pentagon expands domestic US spying

Sun Nov 27, 4:28 PM ET

The US Defense Department is expanding domestic intelligence collection in ways that could allow it so circumvent barriers to military spying on US citizens, according to a US newspaper report.

Formerly focused on protecting its US bases and military operations, Pentagon intelligence collection inside the United States has already expanded to cover broader terrorist threats to the country, the Washington Post said.

However, proposed moves to further expand the military's domestic intelligence activities in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001, have sparked worries among politicians and civil liberties advocates that such activities could go out of control, the newspaper said.

"We are deputizing the military to spy on law-abiding Americans in America. This is a huge leap without even a (congressional) hearing," Senator Ron Wyden told the daily.......
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:03 AM
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1. The Defense Dept. has ZERO business spying on Americans!
We need our Dem Senators and Reps to tell the Pentagon that if they can't find enough appropriate work for their troops, we can cut their funding so they don't have as many.

This is an outrage. The DOD is NOT supposed to spy on Americans, period.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:14 AM
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2. Yes but who is gonna
stop them!
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:24 AM
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4. it doesn't take more than TEN Dems making it a priority ...
... to make it an issue in major media.

Americans are outraged by this stuff, but most of it slips past, because the majority of Americans barely pay attention to the biggest news items.

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:42 AM
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9. For sure not the Dem. in Congress or most of them
Even if they voted that the President COULD go to war and he did not have to, I am still mad that they gave that power away.That list of who voted our rights away should be set up on this site so we can see it daily
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 11:36 AM
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14. But I WANT Lindy England spying on me!
Edited on Mon Nov-28-05 11:51 AM by lvx35
There's not nearly enough Aub Graib style gay BSDM happening in my local PD OR the FBI!!! ;)
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:18 AM
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3. Thank you Sen. Ron Wyden for speaking out nm
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:30 AM
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5. Wyden's an idiot...
... if you look carefully at his other remarks, you'll find that the concessions he's agreed to in order to support the legislation mean that the safeguards are made of paper.

He's not said, "just plain no." He's accommodated this drastic change, rather than impeded it or prevented it.

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:31 AM
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7. Oops, my bad, I didn't read that far. Thanks for letting me know. nt
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:30 AM
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6. Scary. How long before "Krystallnacht" happens in the USA
to an abortion clinic, a gay night club, a Greenpeace office, a Citgo station, or even a Young Democrats meeting?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:38 AM
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8. The Bush/Cheney Administration is going for broke. They are scared
they are going to be called on what has been decades of crime and corruption.

However, first they will engage in another McCarthy witchhunt to cast the spotlight anywhere but where they are. Just as they have been doing for the past five years through Ashcroft and those that will do their bidding.

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 03:46 AM
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10. I would say you are right. Have to get it all in before elections.
I think the right wing zealots pushed a little to fast and people are starting to back off so they must act before they can not do this.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 09:31 AM
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11. Very handy for military takeover for a poll challenged president.
Bush and his cronies are backed into a corner. If Plame or Abramoff scandals come too close to Bush, or the real power behind him, the military would be his next to last hope.

Bad enough that we live in interesting times, but, please, not that interesting.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 10:14 AM
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12. OK freeps. Make your argument for domestic spying
by the military. It's easy, just remember to use the words:
Librul
God
Traitors
911
WMD
God
(Don't use Jesus, Jesus tends to bite us in the ass.)
ZARCOWEE (Don't worry about spelling. He is new boogeyman. OBL might be dead)
Freedoms
Church
god
Fanatics (Be sure to make clear you are referring to them no us)
Remember. Fear is our best defense.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 11:00 AM
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13. The USG is so divided at this point that DoD domestic spying is most
likely to be directed by the JCS at the party found to pose the greatest threat to US national security: the Bush White House.

Don't forget that months before the 9/11 attacks, the Able Danger surveillance program connected the Flight 77 hijackers, who slammed into the Pentagon, to a terrorist planning and financial network that included Condi Rice and other Administration officials. That's one reason the program was shut down, and its files purged, during the early Summer of 2001. Before the Senate investigation of Able Danger was forced behind closed doors last month, this is one of the shocking truths that were revealed. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/28/121022/933

As we are learning from the Plamegate and Abramoff prosecutions, the Bush White House and Republican Party are, in fact, connected to foreign terrorist financiers. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/17/122311/72

In order to protect its own forces, and the national security, the Pentagon must spy on certain U.S. Citizens, but it's not you and me.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 06:05 PM
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15. Read Wm Pepper's book Orders To Kill on MLK assassination
The military's "intelligence" groups operate across the country. The Army's intelligence unit that operated during the MLK days had to change it's name and is now part of the DSS.

Makes you wonder about the CNN and PsyOps story by counterpunch online magazine's Alexander Cockburn awhile back, too, during the 2000 'election'. And what they might have been doing with 2004's vote...along with Operation Mockingbird.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:36 AM
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16. That is exactly what the founding fathers did not want!
Can you imagine if this were a Democrat trying to pull this insane crap what an uproar the fundies would be in? I can not believe that the Libertarians or Independents care to see this abuse of civil rights by the government. I thought the Repubs hated government interference in their lives? Now, they celebrate the thought police. This is sick and wrong.
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