NYT Editorial - Plan: We Win (MUST READ AND RECOMMEND!)

Totally devestating takedown of Dubya's Plan for Victory in the NYT Thursday!!!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/01/opinion/01thur1.html?hp

Plan: We Win

Published: December 1, 2005

We've seen it before: an embattled president so swathed in his inner circle that he completely loses touch with the public and wanders around among small knots of people who agree with him. There was Lyndon Johnson in the 1960's, Richard Nixon in the 1970's, and George H. W. Bush in the 1990's. Now it's his son's turn.

It has been obvious for months that Americans don't believe the war is going just fine, and they needed to hear that President Bush gets that. They wanted to see that he had learned from his mistakes and adjusted his course, and that he had a measurable and realistic plan for making Iraq safe enough to withdraw United States troops. Americans didn't need to be convinced of Mr. Bush's commitment to his idealized version of the war. They needed to be reassured that he recognized the reality of the war.

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Americans have been clamoring for believable goals in Iraq, but Mr. Bush stuck to his notion of staying until "total victory." His strategy document defines that as an Iraq that "has defeated the terrorists and neutralized the insurgency"; is "peaceful, united, stable, democratic and secure"; and is a partner in the war on terror, an integral part of the international community, and "an engine for regional economic growth and proving the fruits of democratic governance to the region."

That may be the most grandiose set of ambitions for the region since the vision of Nebuchadnezzar's son Belshazzar, who saw the hand writing on the wall. Mr. Bush hates comparisons between Vietnam and Iraq. But after watching the president, we couldn't resist reading Richard Nixon's 1969 Vietnamization speech. Substitute the Iraqi constitutional process for the Paris peace talks, and Mr. Bush's ideas about the Iraqi Army are not much different from Nixon's plans - except Nixon admitted the war was going very badly (which was easier for him to do because he didn't start it), and he was very clear about the risks and huge sacrifices ahead.

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Read the whole thing, a total slam on Bush. They stop just an inch short of calling him crazy.

thanks for posting.

W needs to know that we will not accept false wars. We will not accept our kids dying when there was no threat to us.

We were not threatened by Iraq. We removed Hussein. So why are we still there? Who even said the Iraqi people want democracy? If they had wanted it, THEY could have fought for it.

In the meantime, we are rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure while our own is crumbling. Our taxes are shipped overseas while we cut back on our basics to our own needy.

Those who profited? W's corporate globalist friends and partners.

The very last sentence has one word too many in it. It reads:

"A president who seems less in touch with reality than Richard Nixon needs to get out more."

Had I written the piece, I would have omitted the word "more".

A President less in touch w/ reality than Nixon, most certainly does NOT need to get out more or at all. He needs to be put in a straight jacket, locked up in a dark place and have the key thrown away.

I'll go for that. If he won't get out (as in resign), send for the men with the white coats.

But for one little word, :sigh:.

Are they trying to regain some lost ground after the Miss Run Amok debacle? Whatever the reason it was a terrific editorial.

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"What Americans wanted to hear was a genuine counterinsurgency plan"

What fucking idiocy. It is their country. They are doing a great job of defending it-- despite overwhelming odds against a brutal and technologically surperior military force-- lets admit the defeat of US imperialism there and move on.

Maybe we won't attempt to invade another country for awhile.

sounds like
"National Strategy for Low-Cost Perpetual Motion Machine"
or
"National Strategy for Conquest and Inhabitation of Kuiper Belt in the Outer Solar System"

article fails to load and continues to say 'page cannot be displayed' I even tried from KOS..and through other editorials, but this one just refuses to allow me to read it..but I am going to kick and recommend anyway, cause from what I can read it is excellent and I will not stop trying till I get to read the whole damned thing!

it is."

:rofl:

Did you read the strategery doc/pdf? It's like a 5th grade (I'm being charitable) book report of the document it purports to be....

to get out more."

Thank you, NYT!

his Bubble.

"A president who seems less in touch with reality than Richard Nixon needs to get out more."

Bozo said he wouldn't even read from it.

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than he deserves.

Example 1: "Americans don't believe the war is going just fine, and they needed to hear that President Bush gets that".

Nah, I don't think most Americans give a rat's ass what the twerp "gets" or doesn't "get". It's way beyond that. I think most Americans realize we have a nutcase with borderline intellectual functioning in the WH and we're in deep shit on countless fronts until he's gone.

Example 2: "They wanted to see that he had learned from his mistakes and adjusted his course...".

Again, this isn't a matter of a president who needs to tweak his attitude/approach so we can all breathe a sigh of relief that we're on the right track. We won't breathe easy until this incompetent weasel is out of the WH altogether. We have a sinister idiot running our country into the ditch and there's NOTHING that will fix that short of burying the neocon agenda and tossing this loser out of the WH altogether.

Ultimately they present the false impression of how bad this asshole really is by leaving a subtle psychological impression that he just needs to tweak his message to make things right. No... this twerp has us in so damned deep (on so many fronts) that it will take a lot of very smart and decent people years and years to dig out of the mess he and his co-conspirators have created. This editorial is like a passenger suggesting that the driver of a car heading for the edge of a cliff should change the radio channel and adjust the air conditioning.

...and all Captain Unelected can think of is "stay the course."

What a sociopathic nutball.

It must be hard to type when your hands are covered with blood.

A president who seems less in touch with reality than Richard Nixon needs to get out more.

It does seem as though they are calling him crazy and then throwing in the Nebuchadnezzar reference was good.

It's music to my ears.