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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 11:57 AM
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Who's Crazy Now? Paul Krugman
Edited on Mon May-08-06 11:59 AM by BrklynLiberal
May 8, 2006
Op-Ed Columnist
Who's Crazy Now?
By PAUL KRUGMAN



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But these examples, of course, aren't what people are usually referring to when they denounce crazy conspiracy theories. For the last few years, the term "conspiracy theory" has been used primarily to belittle critics of the Bush administration — in particular, anyone suggesting that the Bush administration used 9/11 as an excuse to fight an unrelated war in Iraq.

Now here's the thing: suppose that we didn't have abundant evidence that senior officials in the Bush administration wanted a war, cherry-picked intelligence to make a case for that war, and in some cases suppressed inconvenient evidence contradicting that case. Even so, it would be an abuse of the English language to call the claim that the administration misled us into war a conspiracy theory.

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But the administration officials who told us that Saddam had an active nuclear program and insinuated that he was responsible for 9/11 weren't part of a covert alliance; they all worked for President Bush. The claim that these officials hyped the case for war isn't a conspiracy theory; it's simply an assertion that people in a position of power abused that position. And that assertion only seems wildly implausible if you take it as axiomatic that Mr. Bush and those around him wouldn't do such a thing.

The truth is that many of the people who throw around terms like "loopy conspiracy theories" are lazy bullies who, as Zachary Roth put it on CJR Daily, The Columbia Journalism Review's Web site, want to "confer instant illegitimacy on any argument with which they disagree." Instead of facing up to hard questions, they try to suggest that anyone who asks those questions is crazy.


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But now those harsh critics have been vindicated. And it turns out that many of the administration supporters can't handle the truth. They won't admit that they built a personality cult around a man who has proved almost pathetically unequal to the job. Nor will they admit that opponents of the Iraq war, whom they called traitors for warning that invading Iraq was a mistake, have been proved right. So they have taken refuge in the belief that a vast conspiracy of America-haters in the media is hiding the good news from the public.

Unlike the crazy conspiracy theories of the left — which do exist, but are supported only by a tiny fringe — the crazy conspiracy theories of the right are supported by important people: powerful politicians, television personalities with large audiences. And we can safely predict that these people will never concede that they were wrong. When the Iraq venture comes to a bad end, they won't blame those who led us into the quagmire; they'll claim that it was all the fault of the liberal media, which stabbed our troops in the back.


http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_digbysblog_archive.html#11468903681573

Full article available via NYTimes,but it is subscription only.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:07 PM
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1. The crazy conspiracy theories could go away with the release of evidence.
That will not happen soon there are two possible reasons.

1. The record indicates there were high crimes, or,
2. The conspiracy theorist are needed to marginalize liberal media.

or maybe some of both.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 12:17 PM
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2. I am sure that KKKarl Rove makes good use of #2.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 02:28 PM
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5. Who does #2 work for?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 03:28 PM
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6. I remember when the Watergate-Break-In was a conspiracy theory.
It worked for a while.

Someone shot John Kennedy, many Americans still say they do not know who did it.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:19 PM
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11. its just a coincidence that MLK
JFK
Bobby K.
Malcolm X
John Lennon
were all shot and killed by crazy lone nuts.

go back to sleep, you.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:05 PM
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12. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
:tinfoilhat:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 08:26 PM
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13. me too
:boring:

its so much easier to sleep thru the ugly truths.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:39 AM
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17. Malcolm X wasn't killed by a crazy, lone gunman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_x#Assassination

A week later on February 21 in Manhattan's Audubon Ballroom, Malcolm had just begun delivering a speech when a disturbance broke out in the crowd of 400. A man yelled, "Get your hand outta my pocket! Don't be messin' with my pockets!" As Malcolm's bodyguards rushed forward to attend to the disturbance, a man rushed forward and shot Malcolm in the chest with a sawed-off shotgun. Two other men quickly charged towards the stage and fired handguns at Malcolm, who was shot 16 times. Angry onlookers in the crowd caught and beat the assassins as they attempted to flee the ballroom. The 39-year-old Malcolm was pronounced dead on arrival at New York's Columbia Presbyterian Hospital. He was killed by the shotgun blasts, the other bullets having been directed into his legs.

Although a police report once existed stating that two men were detained in connection with the shooting, that report disappeared, and the investigation was inconclusive. Two suspects were named by witnesses — Norman 3X Butler and Thomas 15X Johnson — however both were known as Nation of Islam agents and would have had difficulty entering the ballroom on that evening.

Three men were eventually charged in the case. Talmadge Hayer confessed to having fired shots into Malcolm's body, but he testified that Butler and Johnson were not present and were not involved in the shooting. All three were convicted.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:40 PM
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19. thanks for the correction.
i don't think it changes my point all that much, but youre right, there was more than one.
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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:40 PM
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8. Hopefully Fitz will show that turd (blossom) who's boss
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:09 PM
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9. From your keyboard to God's ears.....
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:42 PM
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3. For regular readers of the NYT
This was an obvious response to a David Brooks editorial on May 4 about the new Kevin Phillips book.
Sorry, needs Times Select.
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/05/04/opinion/04brooks.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists%2fDavid%20Brooks&oref=slogin
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 01:45 PM
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4. Elaborating on this point
My second favorite web site at which to post is The Nation, where no one is excluded from discussion for holding pro-regime views. Indeed, there's a regular contingency of them over there. For those who want to argue with some real live Bush Bubbahs without feeling like one is crashing the party at Free Republic, I recommend it.

There are two tacts taken by these people. One is the conspiracy theory. At best, this might be something like a theory holding that Saddam handed his weapons off to Syria, supposedly supported by some testimony coming from one of his generals. The theory is dubious for several reasons: Saddam would have had no reliable guarantees that he would ever get the weapons back; the transporting of the weapons would have been detected by satellite; and, if he really had such weapons or even a significant arsenal of more conventional weapons, using them would have been his only chance of repulsing an attack.

Lately, however, most of the Bush Bubbahs at The Nation using this tact are simply asserting that the charges against Bush are "false charges and conspiracy theories adding up to zilch", without offering refutation. Without refutation, this is not a reasoned discourse; it's just noise.

The other tact is just to raise red herrings. When all else fails, talk about Clinton's peccadilloes or Patrick Kennedy's recent problems or, in the case of Hookergate, how in the middle and late 1980s Barney Frank's ex-boyfriend ran a prostitution ring from Frank's apartment (without ever mentioning that Mr. Frank faced no charges in the matter).
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 05:38 PM
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7. Link to a video with "wild conspiracy theories" repeated on the floor
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 06:16 PM
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10. Thanks for this link.
It is going to my entire email list.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-08-06 09:55 PM
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14. Times Select content for free -- Get to know your library again
Full article available via NYTimes,but it is subscription only.


Most libraries should have access to online databases with full text articles from many, many newspapers across the country -- namely "ProQuest". With a San Francisco library card, you can access these databases from your home computer. I'd think this would be true most places, but I don't know for sure. If not, any California resident in the entire state can apply for a San Francisco Library card and use these online services.

If you're on a limited budget like me, those automatic, recurring subscriptions start to add up and you have to say "enough" at some point, even if any single subscription in and of itself isn't that big of a burden.

Besides, who wants to pay for "Times Select" when the only thing they offer worth reading are Krugman and Frank Rich. Why would I pay money for the privilege of ignoring David Brooks? Using the library's online databases, I just check in every Monday, Friday, and Sunday, for Krugman and Rich just as conveniently as accessing the TimesSelect online, but at a much better deal.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:32 AM
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15. Most libraries should, maybe, but at least one big city's (Phila) doesn't.
At least not through its website. Just fyi.
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Uncle Roy Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:33 AM
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16. Actually, they do. I just found it. Go to Phily's "advanced search",
Edited on Tue May-09-06 09:38 AM by Uncle Roy
here:

http://search.library.phila.gov/advSearch.cfm

then click on the "+" next to "Newspapers / Magazines" under "step 2". This will give you the list of newspaper databases that your library subscribes to. In your case "National Newspaper Index" is the one you want. Select that, then put "krugman" in the box in "step 1", and off you go. It will ask you for your Philadelphia Library Card Number before it lets you read the article.

Most libraries have something like this, usually listed under something obscure like "databases". The name of the right database will vary from lib to lib, but if you search for "database" and "New York Times" you'll find the right one soon enough.

Have fun!
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Stargleamer Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:42 PM
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18. Bob Herbert, too.
N/t
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Uncle Roy Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:00 AM
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20. Yup. And Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich.
For some reason or other, the NYTimes wants us to pay extra to read the only 4 honest writers they have. I'm sure Paul Krugman could offer a good economic explanation for this: something about the rareness of the commodity driving up the price.

Judy Miller, on the other hand, was always free.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 04:09 PM
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21. good article
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Gasping4Truth Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:22 PM
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22. Free link to full article
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