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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:25 PM
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Memorial Day thoughts from Patrick Henry
Pat Roberts, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, entrusted with oversight of the executive branch's intelligence programs, and bearer of the responsibility of assuring that our liberties and civil rights are not infringed upon by overzealous or abusive intrusions into the private lives of Americans, has said that "You don't have civil liberties when you're dead."

It is fitting then that we should consider the words of Patrick Henry from his "Give Me Liberty of Give Me Death" speech.

In a column in today's San Francisco Chronicle, Gary M. Galles revisits this speech, and here are a few excerpts that are especially relevant to the conflicts we now face about whether we need to bend or abandon our constitutional rights in order to remain "safe":


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. ...be extremely cautious, watchful, jealous of your liberty; for instead of securing your rights, you may lose them forever."

"Those nations who have...been the victims of their own folly...lost their freedom."

"...I address my most fervent prayer to prevent our adopting a system destructive to liberty."

"No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by...frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."

"If our descendants be worthy of the name of Americans they will preserve and hand down to their latest posterity the transactions of the present times...to preserve their liberty."



http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/05/29/EDGDOIJI5N1.DTL


Happy Memorial Day to all DUers who continue to fight for the notion that our freedom is preserved in times of adversity not by abandoning our constitutional rights as a peacetime luxury, but by defending them as our greatest strength, and the foundation upon which America has been built, has survived, and has prospered.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:47 PM
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1. Thank you. K&R (nt)
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 02:59 PM
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2. I also like his comment
when he was told that his speech was tantamount to treason
"If this be treason, then make the most of it"
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 05:47 PM
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3. "In the language of freemen, stipulate that their are rights which no man
under heaven can take from you..." --from the same speech.



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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 08:02 PM
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4. Yes
Edited on Mon May-29-06 08:11 PM by Patsy Stone
I never thought it was an "and"; I always read it as "or". I think now and I thought then that perhaps Mr. Roberts needs to reread this more than we do. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=315&topic_id=46483&mesg_id=46502

K&R. :hi:

ed: link
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 08:18 PM
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5. Oh, this is sweet...the firebrand among the revolutionaries. K&R
Patrick Henry took no prisoners when it came to liberty and self determination. As a young man, he
was a bit of a rogue, a cad of sorts. His family steered him into politics and he found his home.

These sentences are a warning, a call to arms, telling us that there are somethings more important
than just leading lives of "quiet desperation," which is what the current crowd of tyrants wants
from us.

Senator Roberts is an enemy of the people. The entire process of armor plating our society in the
form of total "security" began because the FBI couldn't figure out how to read a memo from the agent
in Arizona who pointed out that there were a lot of Arabs taking flight lessons. This would have
stopped everything, if acted upon. The nasty little flight school in Florida would have been a
prime target and that would be that. How we get from failing to read a memo, bureaucratic pathos, to
the surrender of all of our liberties is beyond me or anyone else with a rational mind.

Great post. We will not surrender our liberties. We will retake power and expose the profiteers.

It will happen. Memorialize that Sen. Roberts.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 10:16 PM
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6. Treason, past and present:
The picture of Henry by Peter F. Rothermel shows Henry throwing down his almighty power in hand or glove, which is a traditional sign for a fight. Trained as an attorney, and noted for his heated oratorical skills, this Virginian first made a name for himself in a case dubbed the "Parson's Cause" (1763) which was an argument on whether the price of tobacco paid to clergy for their services should be set by the colonial government or by the Crown. Henry won the case but damages were set at such a nominally low level that the result was a victory for the independence movement, to the consternation of the British government.

Perhaps in part because of his success in this venture, Henry was elected to the House of Burgesses (the legislative body of the Virginia colony) in 1765. That same year, he proposed the Virginia Stamp Act Resolutions. The freshman representative waited for an opportunity where the mostly conservative members of the House were away (only 24% was considered sufficient for a quorum). In this atmosphere, he succeeded, through much debate and persuasion, in getting his proposal passed. It was possibly the most anti-British (many called it "treasonous") American political action to that point, and some credit the Resolutions with being one of the main catalysts of the Revolution. The proposals were based on principles that were well established British rights, such as the right to be taxed by one's own representatives.

They went further, however, to assert that the colonial assemblies had the exclusive right to impose taxes on the colonies and could not assign that right. The imputation of treason is due to his inflammatory words, "Caesar had his Brutus; Charles the First his Cromwell; and George the Third—" "George the Third may profit by their example. If this be treason, make the most of it."

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry


It's interesting that now treason has aruably been committed by this administration, which dares anyone to speak the word.
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