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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:49 AM
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NYT: After Londonistan
After Londonistan
By CHRISTOPHER CALDWELL
Published: June 25, 2006

"Behold!" reads an official police notice on the waiting-room wall at the Bethnal Green police station, in the East London borough of Tower Hamlets. "Fear from people should not prevent one from saying the truth if he knows it." It is a hadith saying of the Prophet Muhammad, stuck amid a row of posters urging Britons to do their civic duty and report any crimes they might get wind of. Tower Hamlets, which includes large Bengali and Somali communities, is a majority-minority borough. Someone there apparently felt that the hadith poster might help woo those for whom civic duty was an insufficient spur. Today, Britain has more than a million and a half Muslims. A million live in London, where they make up an eighth of the population. They are not just the refugees and tempest-tossed laborers of the developing world, large though those groups may be. London's West End is full of Saudi princes and financiers, and journalists and politicians from around the Arab world; its East End is home to erudite theologians from the Indian subcontinent, along with some unhinged ones. In the 1980's and 90's, a hands-off government allowed London to become a haven for radicals and a center for calls to jihad. Culturally and politically (and theologically and gastronomically), London ranks among the capitals of the Muslim world and is certainly its chief point of contact with the United States and the rest of the West. Since last July 7, when four young British Muslims used backpack bombs to take their own lives and those of 52 others on London's public-transport system, getting information out of the city's various Muslim communities has become a desperate preoccupation of British law enforcement.

Lord Carlile of Berriew, a Welshman who is Britain's independent reviewer of counterterrorism laws, has wide access to classified intelligence about terrorism plans. He is the last person you would expect to hype the dangers. For one thing, his party, the Liberal Democrats, has reaped electoral gains by opposing Tony Blair's war on terror, particularly Blair's belief that Iraq is a front in that war. For another, Lord Carlile has made a name for himself as a civil libertarian — a champion of legal underdogs from the terminally ill to the transsexual — and civil libertarians are the ones who have led the opposition to antiterror measures. "How serious is it?" he asked, sitting beside a conference-room table in his law chambers off the Strand on a sunny morning this spring. "Very. Complacency, tempting though it is, is the worst possible attitude. We've been fortunate we haven't had more attacks. There will be more."...

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Seven or eight major plots were reportedly broken up between 2001 and the July 7 bombings. One involved a ricin attack on the Heathrow Express train planned by terrorists linked to a radical Algerian group. Since July 7, there have been four more serious terror plots — including a widely reported incident last year on July 21 when four suicide bombs failed to detonate. The would-be terrorists were arrested days later, but not before a Brazilian on his way to work was mistaken for one of them and shot dead by the police in the Stockwell Underground station. Considering that Britain is less despised among the world's Islamist radicals than the United States, and that its Muslim communities are, by and large, smaller, better-integrated and more prosperous than those on the continent, this is a lot of activity.

"Let no one be in any doubt," Prime Minister Tony Blair told the country a month after last July's attacks. "The rules of the game are changing." Britain has been adjusting its terror laws since the Blair government came to power in 1997. But Sept. 11, 2001, sparked calls for broad new government powers, and July 7, 2005, has created a consensus — a fragile one, but a consensus nonetheless — that even those are insufficient. The new rules Blair spoke of were to be found in a 12-point plan that included tighter enforcement of asylum and deportation, blacklists of extremist bookshops and bans on hard-line Islamist groups. Some of the measures were discarded as too punitive, but the ones that remain have dominated parliamentary and public debate ever since. After the bombings, Blair warned that those who do not "share and support the values that sustain the British way of life," or who incite hatred against Britain and its people, "have no place here." In February, he added that Islamist preachers who condone terrorism "should not be in this country." It was tempting to assume that Blair was simply hardening his line, moving from Islam-Is-Peace to Love-It-or-Leave-It. But the government insists that it will do everything in consultation with the country's 1.6 million Muslims, half of whom are under 25, with the goal of winning their hearts and minds....

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/25/magazine/25london.html?ex=1151553600&en=61630a148c167257&ei=5087%0A
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:52 AM
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1. I just read the Bruce Bawer book, While Europe Slept.
Very disturbing book; he fears that Western Europe is heading to civil war because of the large, rapidly growing and deeply alienated Muslim minorities there. Bawer is an American writer who is fluent in several languages and has lived in Europe since the late 1990s.

What prompted me to buy the book is that Bawer is the openly gay author of A Place at the Table, a well-regarded defense of gay rights, and Stealing Jesus, a fine book I have read that argues that fundamentalist evangelical Christianity is contrary to what Jesus actually taught. He fears that the increasing political power of Muslims in Europe is threatening hard-won gains in human rights for gay people there. Gay bashings by Muslim immigrants are common, such as the one suffered by his partner (in Oslo).
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:57 AM
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2. Very interesting, megatherium. Thanks for your post. nt
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 05:58 AM
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3. For a less fearful view than Bawer: The Economist: Tales from Eurabia
Contrary to fears on both sides of the Atlantic, integrating Europe's Muslims can be done
...
Is Eurabia really something to worry about? The concept includes a string of myths and a couple of hard truths. Most of the myths have to do with the potency of Islam in Europe. The European Union is home to no more than 20m Muslims, or 4% of the union's inhabitants. That figure would soar closer to 17% if Turkey were to join the EU—but that, alas, is something that Europeans are far less keen on than Americans are. Even taking into account Christian and agnostic Europe's lousy breeding record, Muslims will account for no more than a tenth of west Europe's population by 2025. Besides, Europe's Muslims are not homogenous. Britain's mainly South Asian Muslims have far less in common with France's North African migrants or Germany's Turks than they do with other Britons.
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Given these subtleties, perhaps the most dangerous myth is the idea that there is one sure-fire answer when it comes to assimilating Europe's Muslims. In some cases, integrationism goes too far (France's head-scarf ban was surely harsh); but multiculturalism can too (Britain is now reining in its Muslim schools). America's church-state divide and its tolerance of religious fervour are attractive, but its fabled melting pot is not a definitive guide either: many American Muslims are black, and many Arab-Americans are Christian. In some ways, a better comparison (in terms of numbers and closeness of homeland) is with Latinos—and nobody in Europe is (yet) talking about building a wall to keep Muslims out.

Yet amid all this hyperbole, two hard realities stand out. The first is the importance of jobs. In America, it is easy for a newcomer to get work and hard to claim welfare; in Europe the opposite is true. Deregulating labour markets is a less emotive subject than head-scarves or cartoons, but it matters far more.

Second, the future of Europe's Muslims, no less than that of America's Latinos, lies with the young. For every depressing statistic about integration—France's prisons hold nine times more young men with North African fathers than ones with French fathers—there are several reassuring ones: a quarter of young Muslim Frenchwomen are married to non-Muslim men; Muslims are flocking to British universities and even popping up in white bastions like the Tory party. In 50 years' time, Americans may be praising this generation of European Muslims for leading the enlightenment that Islam needed.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=7086222

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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:28 AM
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4. Bawer does say, as does this article, that Europeans seem to be more
willing to support Muslim immigrants on welfare than they are willing to let Muslims enter the work force; he says it's harder for a professional, educated Muslim to pursue a career in western Europe than it is in America. So it's uneducated Muslims that arrive in Europe, and become alienated in ghettos, while the more urban, educated Muslims come to the US. But thank you for the article, which includes positive information Bawer does not mention. I was heartened by the thought that in 50 years, we may thank western European Muslims for reforming Islam.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 12:19 PM
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5. Is that you Melanie Phillips?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 12:32 PM
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6. Here she is!
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