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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:20 PM
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Who is doing the IRS's private debt collection and what it means.
Edited on Sat Aug-19-06 03:24 PM by LiviaOlivia
IRS plan to privatize debt collection moving forward
by clammyc
Mon Aug 14, 2006 at 08:25:41 AM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/14/112541/507

(personal note: It's official. See http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/business/20tax.html?ei=5094&en=c9462e925e79e193&hp=&ex=1156046400&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1156018332-PLl5+0YernVBdP65rT5GVAThe But it's only for people owing under $25,000. How about the corporations? The same old song: BushCo patronage and corruption. The DKos author provides many links backing the story. Please go to the DKos link for all other links.)

Despite the fact that the House Appropriations Committee voted to block the funding of an IRS initiative to outsource and privatize debt collection, the IRS will be moving forward with its plan - perhaps as soon as next month.

But don't worry about the security of your personal information, as the IRS hasn't had issues with laptops containing personal data being lost, or even with the losses of thousands of laptops in general. And don't worry about being harassed by private debt collectors either, because the IRS has many "safeguards" in place which would protect taxpayers. And if you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Now, I am a tax guy and keep on top of new and major developments in the tax world. But the only reason that I saw this was from a small article in an accounting newspaper that the NYS Society of CPAs puts out twice a month. The only mention of this (recently) on the IRS website is a two page document released last week entitled, What You Can Expect When the IRS Assigns Your Account to a Private Collection Agency.

This program was first announced relatively under the radar as a result of the 2004 Federal Jobs Creation Act and one of the pathetic explanations was that state agencies are doing this already, so don't worry. And what have we found since then? Well, 2 employees of the private debt collection company that New Jersey has been using, OSI Collection Services, Inc. has been knee deep in a corruption scandal:

The state's taxation director and five other Treasury Department employees were indicted yesterday on official misconduct charges, accused of taking thou sands of dollars worth of dinners, entertainment and other gifts from a state vendor.

Two former employees of the vendor, OSI Collection Services Inc., also were charged in the corruption case. The company was hired by the state to collect delinquent taxes.


Since this is so wrong on so many levels, there is much to be concerned about, so I will take you (briefly) through a few of the major issues.

Vendor Choice

Back in March of 2006, the IRS announced that three firms were selected to take part in the first phase of the "debt collection" initiative.

The Internal Revenue Service today awarded contracts to three firms to participate in the first phase of its private debt collection initiative.

The firms are:

* The CBE Group Inc., Waterloo, Iowa.

* Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson, LLP, Austin, Texas.

* Pioneer Credit Recovery, Inc., Arcade, N.Y.

A total of 33 firms took part in the competitive bidding process that resulted in today's contract awards.


And what do we find out just 2 short months later? Why, that one of the firms, Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson LLP, has been caught with its hands in the cookie jar on more than one occasion:

A former Linebarger partner was convicted in a 2002 bribery scheme involving payments to two San Antonio city councilmen who voted to approve a collection contract with the law firm.

* In 2004, Linebarger settled a lawsuit in which a competitor alleged that the law firm offered illegal gifts and bribes, and rigged bids to win collection contracts from several local governments.

* A collection contract that the city of New Orleans awarded to Linebarger and a Louisiana partner organization in 1998 "has been the subject of an FBI investigation."


Nothing like a crooked or shady entity in charge of harassing taxpayers to pay a debt. Not to mention the fact that the IRS's recordkeeping isn't always spot on, and this could result in the harassment of innocent taxpayers as well. But wait - there's more. Since one of the big issues with debt collectors is that they get paid a percentage of what they bring in, this generally leads to more strong-arming and some underhanded tactics. And what does the IRS do to combat this fear?

The IRS initiative, set to start this year, has been viewed as a privatization plum because the winning bidders would be allowed to keep up to 24% of the amounts they collect.


Costs

The House Appropriations Committee Amendment was introduced by Rep. Steve Rothman (D-NJ) and had some startling figures with respect to how much more this program would cost. There was a huge difference in the amounts of money that could be collected vs. how much money needed to be spent just on the debt collection companies as opposed to hiring more personnel at the IRS. From Rothman's web site:

Not only does the Administration's privatization scheme put taxpayers' private financial information at greater risk of being lost, stolen, or intentionally misused by identity thieves, it is also expensive. On top of the $54 million start-up price-tag, the private collection agencies will earn commissions of up to 25% on any back taxes they actually collect. In contrast, IRS employees could do the job for less than 3%.

In fact, the bipartisan Joint Committee on Taxation reports that it will cost $350 million on top of the $54 million start-up cost for debt collection companies to collect $1.5 billion over ten years. Yet, by hiring additional IRS employees to collect the unpaid taxes, the IRS would spend $290 million to collect $9.5 billion in one year.

Earlier this year, Rothman's questioning forced the IRS Commissioner, Mark Everson, to 'freely admit' that the Administration's privatization of tax collection will waste millions of taxpayer dollars each year. In addition to being expensive, debt collection companies are the most complained-about industry in America, according to Federal Trade Commission consumer complaint data.


We're talking billions more in dollars that could be collected without heavy-handed and threatening procedures if the IRS was to take the smarter approach. Billions of dollars that could go towards funding veteran's services. Or funding educational programs. Or giving tax relief to people outside of the top 3%. Or rebuilding New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. Or countless other programs.

Safeguards

Rest assured, there is nothing to worry about so just pretend that this isn't happening. Of course, you probably hear the same thing if you were to have invasive surgery or an unpleasant visit at the proctologist. But the IRS is looking out to make sure that there are "appropriate" safeguards in place.

Not to get too much into it, since frankly it is all bullshit to me, but these safeguards include training regarding the Privacy Act of 1974, requirements of contractors to provide internal safeguard reviews on a quarterly basis, contractors are required to certify that they complete the required training annually and that contractors should not base compensation for their employees based on dollars collected. Of course the entire arrangement with the contractor is based on dollars collected, so that doesn't say much.

This will be interesting to follow as it rolls out, and sadly even the lack of funding won't stop this train from leaving the station. But given the recent issue in NJ with OSI Collection Services as well as the trampling of We the People's rights, the loss of sensitive data and the history of private debt collection companies, you can bet that things will get ugly.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:28 PM
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1. IRS will be moving forward with its plan - perhaps as soon as next month
"the IRS will be moving forward with its plan - perhaps as soon as next month"

Thanks - this really went under the radar, hadn't heard about it.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:38 PM
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2. The Democrats could be the anti-tax party if they wanted to
by proposing that there be no audits for all taxpayers making under $100,000 unless there is a clear and compelling case of fraud. Then they could propose abolishing the income tax all together for workers making under $35,000 a year.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:18 PM
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5. What A Brilliant Idea!
and thanks to origianl poster for the heads-up!
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:39 PM
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3. does the texas firm have any conections?

does the texas firm have any connection to halliburton? it would be nice to see who they have worked for in the past. meaning their prior clients. as we all know halliburton is a conglormerate of many companies.and some of the big stockholders have done it all.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:11 PM
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4. The whole concept of
privitization needs to be challenged. What has privitization done better, they seem to ruin whatever they touch. Certainly the private sector has done no good in healthcare. The whole damned country is being sold out, roads, healthcare, now tax collection too. Not to mention Katrina, education and the military! It just goes on and on.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 04:18 PM
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6. Will the people who vote for the GOP please pay attention now?
These three firms that were awarded the contract, are they GOP contributors? Will there be a way to cross-reference donations to political and activist campaigns with Social Security numbers? Will we be seeing harrassment of political activists through "debt collection" intimidation?

It's so easy to harrass somebody and then say, "Oops! Our mistake." The victims of strong-arming will end up paying thousands of dollars to defend themselves, plus enduring a lot of stress and aggravation.

If these "debt collectors" have your tax return, they have your phone number, too, and your residence address. To whom will they sell that information? Will people begin receiving intimidating phone calls at home, at work?

I'm taking this info to my accountant.

I'm disgusted with our so-called representatives representing themselves instead of the people. Pathetic.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 06:59 AM
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7. Thanks for the heads up. n/t
:kick: and R'd
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:06 AM
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8. This is Scary. Kick and Nom.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:21 AM
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9. I just put all three companies in Sourcewatch. Got nothing.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:03 PM
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10. And your point is what?
:shrug:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 07:25 AM
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11. Needs to be publicized. Some ***LINKS*** - Does anyone doubt that "debt
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 07:39 AM by Nothing Without Hope
collection" would be used to harrass and persecute political dissidents? Not me. Here are this year's links in my bookmark folder on abuse of the IRS under the Bush administration:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x66053
1-6-06 - IRS Tracked Taxpayers Political Affiliation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2029357
1-8-06 - IRS Said to Improperly Restrict Access (Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=66053&mesg_id=81546
1-8-06 DU post - Bill allows IRS to contract out debt collection, and shady companies involved

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/01/11.html#a6670
1-11-06 IRS freezes refunds of low-income taxpayers without telling them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x185020
1-13-06 NUMBERS for US corporate salaries, numbers, CEOs, who pays taxes} - Predictions of an Economic Hit Man

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0114-24.htm
1-14-06 Molly Ivins} Now IRS is Harassing the Poor

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/17/opinion/17tue4.html?th&emc=th
1-17-06 IRS refusing to supply data on audits} What Is the I.R.S. Trying to Hide? - New York Times

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x483584
2-21-06 Attn DUers personal info posted here will be used against you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2159881#2161116
3-11-06 Blackwell Met With Ministers More Often Than IRS Complaint Alleged



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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 06:44 AM
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12. And WHY were they collecting data about people's political affiliations?

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/5440902p-4912739c.html

IRS tracked taxpayers’ political affiliation

The News Tribune
Published: January 6th, 2006 02:30 AM

WASHINGTON – As it hunted down tax scofflaws, the Internal Revenue Service collected information on the political party affiliations of taxpayers in 20 states.

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“The bottom line is that we have never used this information,” said John Lipold, an IRS spokesman. “There are strict laws in place that forbid it.”

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Murray and Kelly, however, remained skeptical. Kelly said the collection of such data was even more troubling because the IRS intends to start using private collection agencies later this year to go after back taxes.

“We think Congress should suspend IRS plans to use private collections agencies until these questions have been resolved,” she said.


Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and the president of the National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelly are the Murray and Kelly referred to in the quoted text above.

Lipold says that "we"(the IRS) never used this information. Well, why was it collected in the first place? I'm sorry, but I have no confidence that private outside (possibly crony, connected Republican) vendors would not use this information for political advantage and to harrass those with differing political viewpoints.

IN my opinion, this is one of the MOST outrageous instances of privatizing and outsourcing what is CLEARLY a governmental function - taxation and collection. Secondly, how are these vendors paid? On a percentage of taxes collected? How accoutable are they and what protections are inplace for the private citizen if one of these "contractors" goes after them?


More, from the Electronic Privacy Information Center


http://www.epic.org/privacy/surveillance/spotlight/0306/

Spotlight on Surveillance
March 2006:
IRS's Inadequate Security Leaves Taxpayer Data Largely Unprotected


Another problem concerning IRS arose when one of its contractors spent several months improperly collecting information about taxpayers' political party affiliations.26 Washington Sen. Patty Murray, Ranking Member of the Transportation, Treasury, Housing and Urban Development and Judiciary Appropriations Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee, called the practice an "outrageous violation of the public trust."27 The law forbids IRS from collecting such data. Because IRS did not properly supervise its contractor, this sensitive taxpayer information was improperly gathered. IRS ordered the contractor to discontinue the political party data collection when the agency learned of it from a complaint.28

IRS, in some ways the largest and most powerful of all federal enforcement agencies, also has failed to operate with the transparency necessary for open government. In January, for example, the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse filed a suit against IRS, stating that since the middle of 2004 the agency had ceased disclosing data about its operations. 29 The agency's withholding violated a permanent court order that required it to disclose to Susan Long, the co-director of TRAC, "statistical data on an ongoing basis about its audit, collection and other enforcement activities." 30 While the agency had generally complied with this 1976 order for several decades, in 2004 it stopped providing the basic enforcement data "even while acknowledging the existence of the court order and its current collection of statistical material that is covered by the order." 31

The agency's poor physical and electronic security systems and lack of oversight of contractors have placed sensitive taxpayer information at risk. IRS has said that it has limited resources to conduct such oversight. In light of this, the agency's refusal to
operate with transparency makes it all the more difficult for citizens to hold the agency and its contractors accountable for their actions.





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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 07:35 PM
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13. kicking - more exposure - this is so wrong! nt.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-23-06 07:13 PM
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16. Great post PL
many thanks.
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:05 PM
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14. thanks so much/great read
I wonder is I sould just pay now ?
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:07 PM
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15. this is what happens when I am reading more BS cant spell ..sorry
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