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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:15 PM
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Bush And Blair Are In Trouble
Blair must know his game is over. Bush's reception in Britain demonstrated that; and the CIA has now announced that the Iraqi resistance is "broad, strong and getting stronger", with numbers estimated at 50,000. "We could lose this situation," says a report to the White House. The goal now is to "plan the endgame".

Their lying has finally become satire. Bush told David Frost that the world really had to change its attitude about Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons because they were "very advanced". My personal favourite is Donald Rumsfeld's assessment. "The message," he said, "is that there are known knowns - there are things that we know that we know. There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns ... things we do not know we don't know. And each year we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns."
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The Bush regime's panic is reflected in its adoption of Israeli revenge tactics, using F-16 aircraft to drop 500lb bombs on residential areas called "suspect zones". They are also burning crops: another Israeli tactic. The parallels are now Palestine and Vietnam; more Americans have died in Iraq than in the first three years of the Vietnam war.
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Blair's troubles are only beginning. There are signs that the Shia storm is gathering in southern Iraq, an area for which the British are responsible. A Shia underground army is said to be forming, quietly and patiently, as it did under the shah of Iran. If or when they rise, there will be a great deal more British blood on the Prime Minister's hands.

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http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=4589
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:20 PM
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1. Shall I cry? Put them both out office would be good.
:bounce:
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:21 PM
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2. This person must read DU
spot on
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:45 PM
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20. John Pilger made his name as a reporter in Vietnam
and has been a thorn in the side of governments ever since. He was, for instance, the guy who found the quotes from Rice and Powell in early 2001 saying "Iraq is not a threat".
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:30 PM
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3. And yet . . .
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monkeyboy Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:07 PM
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9. You get the government you deserve
This country is full of ignorant rednecks. Game over.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:31 PM
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4. This five minute video could do junior in if made into a campaign ad..
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:43 PM
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5. Bush And Blair AREN'T In Trouble ... YET
corporate media is still shilling for them ... and unless there's someone who they know, most Americans don't give two shits about the troops in Iraq that requires them to do more than mouth a few "rah-rahs" and buy a cheap made in China American flag
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:50 PM
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 06:55 PM
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7. Here you go bub
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 06:56 PM by NNN0LHI
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:21 PM
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:02 PM
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8. Wow, aren't we full of assumptions.
:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:13 PM
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:35 PM
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16. Simply...
that we are all stupid, white, and American.

Welcome to DU, by the way.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:13 PM
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10. Only a retard makes statements like Rumsfeld. He's retarded. He's a
completely alzheimer-ish retard. Humorous? Not hardly.
Imagine his finger next to the button. If he said that
then, would it still be funny? Good grief. Rumsfeld is
a retard and that remark cements it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:16 PM
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:24 PM
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14. Here's your gauntlet back, sir.
Edited on Tue Dec-02-03 07:25 PM by a_random_joel
1. Blair's support in Britain is eroding, as is Bush's support (there and here). Public opinion polls have been consistently showing this. If more Brits are killed in Iraq, pray tell me whether Blair's support would rise or fall?

2. Rumsfeld's statement makes sense to you in its obviousness. Fair enough. But we expect more from the Defense Secretary than statement of the obvious, particularly relative to the context of the question which was asked. Finally, when stating something so obvious as to appear "humourous", one would think a more eloquent way of stating it would be possible.

3. The point of war being "hell and difficult and unpredictable" is agreed upon. And this fact was stated by war opponents prior to the war, which is incidentally, one of the many reasons they opposed it. See how that works, my friend? Compounded with the fact that the war has been determined to be an unnecessary political whim, these opponents have been proven to be spot on in their assessment. Kind of humourous and apolitical in its obviousness, no?

4. Is this debate from a stupid, white Yank enough for you? Or would you like to run the gauntlet some more?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:46 PM
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:26 PM
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15. 'war is hell and difficult and unpredictable'
I would have to disagree that that is what the rest of the
article says.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 07:47 PM
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 08:34 PM
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19. Rumsfeld has a strong need to be cute and
get laughs from the press.

His words, when read, are going to puzzle historians because they won't know if he was preening unless they see the film and hear laughs (or not). The man is arrogant and has made enemies for America. Time will reveal the money angle to everything he does. Deaths? Dismemberments? Too bad. Arrogance and jokes rule.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:57 PM
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21. They're in trouble? Quick, guys! In here!



The Palace of Peace
The Hague
Home of the International Criminal Court

Photo from the website of International Pathology
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 06:13 PM
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22. I understand Rumsfilled completely. Look, there are things we
know we know and things that others know we know and some things we know they know we know but then there are those things we know they don't know and they know we know they don't know, but they still don't know what we don't know and . . . aww . . . $hit, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

I wonder if a little voice ever goes off in Rummy's head, "I can't stop. Would someone puhleeze shut me up!! I am a veritable verbal geyser of bull$hit"
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