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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:16 PM Original message |
No solution in sight for U.S. gun violence-It's an American way of death. |
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lcordero2 (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. and only one side had the gun |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 07:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
52. yes, those little Amish girls should have been armed |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Damn Democrats will take your gun away if they are elected |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. 800,000 deer hunters in my state believe Hillary will do just that |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. And that is why this story is suddenly in the news |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Yup... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 03:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
50. then there are 800.000 idiots in NY! |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. New York will never elect the repukes |
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silvermachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
85. Then they are idiots |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. "High-powered firearms"... |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. Obviously, easy access should bellowe .... |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
6. I have 16 Nerf blasters of various shapes and sizes with enough |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:10 PM Original message |
I should report you to the BATT... |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
22. Bring 'em on |
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justice1 (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. We need to change our attitudes. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. If they ever get their facts straight, I may have a heart attack |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. We haven't tried strict gun control yet. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Given that 4 in 10 American households own guns... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. thank you |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 09:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. And how many of those guns are handguns and automatic |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 06:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Probably around half of gun owners own handguns... |
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MacDo (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
83. I hear you |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I Know You are Right |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
47. Yep. It really gets me that they fight every gun control law tooth |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 08:03 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Not so... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Please define "strict gun control" |
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Mithras61 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Perhaps WE have not... |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
49. Also BS |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 11:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. British violent crime was already dropping before 1997 |
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MacDo (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
84. Well said....NT |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. We've tried.. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. BS |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. If you look at long-term historic trends, it's not so clear |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. How about we compromise? Home defense should be OK, not on streets. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Much of that is already law... |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
18. this decision was made decades ago |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
19. Police search for clues in teen's shooting |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
20. Funeral Service Held in Texas for Family of 4 Found Dead Along Fla. Turnpike |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Virginia couple, two children beaten, stabbed in random killing |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Homicide .. by age of offender and weapon .. 1976 - 2004 (USDOJ) |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. so what's your plan? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
61. If you have evidence that blow-gun or bow-and-arrow homicides |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. What's your plan? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Yeah, I was responding to your stabbing example |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-26-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. read a little further |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Yeah, I read the article: |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Alrighty then.... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
21. Deadly Shooting Suspect Arrested |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Charge Filed After Man Run Over, Killed During Brawl |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. But using a vehicle with malice aforethought is relatively rare, and |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Just because it's rare doesn't make it go away. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Well, about 200 people a year are cleared for self-defense homicide .. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Oh noes, the "Only Way To Use A Gun Is To Shoot Someone" fallacy |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Armed citizens have pointed guns at me several times. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Your reply is a non-sequitur |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Nope: I illustrated "Use A Gun To Threaten to Shoot Someone" since you .. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. You gave examples of negligent or unlawful uses of firearms |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 09:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. You wish to focus to the use of a gun to threaten to shoot someone |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-26-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. No, there is a lot more than a twitch between threat and deed |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-26-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Can't find yr supposed statistic either in '93 National Crime Victimization Survey |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-26-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Finding the data requires an open mind, but here is a hint |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-26-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Looked up the '93 doc and the 150 pp of supporting tables and went .. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Have it your way |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. No point to discussing policy without first getting facts straight. eom |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I agree completely, and I may be wrong |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. So if a moron points a gun at me, it's my fault? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. In the situations you described, your choices contributed |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-25-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. In situations described, I had no prior reason to think a gun would appear .. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Straw man argument! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
23. One Fairfield officer killed, one wounded in shooting |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Three dead, three wounded in sword attack |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. 2003? Everything I've posted is a news story less than 12 hours old. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Yet amazingly, you still aren't in compliance with LBN rules |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. fun with Google |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. The thread is about gun-violence in America, so drunk-driving or South African |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
24. Police Look for Asbury Park Shooting Suspect |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. Triple shooting in San Francisco leaves one dead, two injured |
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dnbn (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
27. The Emperor's New Clothes |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 08:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
55. Define "high powered firearms"... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
29. 20-year-old dead after shooting |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. Driver Killed In Drive-By Shooting |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
38. Easy solution... |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-23-06 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
43. America is now, |
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Briar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
53. Issues like this |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-24-06 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
59. ITS A TRAP, I tell you. |
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4bucksagallon (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-26-06 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
77. Gun control is a loosing issue for dems, so if you like republicans |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Hmmm ... Here's the WaPo polling data from earlier this month: |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-27-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Most polls on this subject share the fatal flaw that this one has |
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