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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:08 PM
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Why Hawks Win - Foreign Policy
Why Hawks Win
By Daniel Kahneman, Jonathan Renshon Page 1 of 1
foreignpolicy.com
January/February 2007

Why are hawks so influential? The answer may lie deep in the human mind. People have dozens of decision-making biases, and almost all favor conflict rather than concession. A look at why the tough guys win more than they should.



"Elizabeth Glassanos/FOREIGN POLICYShould Hawks Win? Matthew Continetti of the conservative Weekly Standard and Matthew Yglesias of the liberal American Prospect square off in an FP web exclusive debate.National leaders get all sorts of advice in times of tension and conflict. But often the competing counsel can be broken down into two basic categories. On one side are the hawks: They tend to favor coercive action, are more willing to use military force, and are more likely to doubt the value of offering concessions. When they look at adversaries overseas, they often see unremittingly hostile regimes who only understand the language of force. On the other side are the doves, skeptical about the usefulness of force and more inclined to contemplate political solutions. Where hawks see little in their adversaries but hostility, doves often point to subtle openings for dialogue.

As the hawks and doves thrust and parry, one hopes that the decision makers will hear their arguments on the merits and weigh them judiciously before choosing a course of action. Don’t count on it. Modern psychology suggests that policymakers come to the debate predisposed to believe their hawkish advisors more than the doves. There are numerous reasons for the burden of persuasion that doves carry, and some of them have nothing to do with politics or strategy. In fact, a bias in favor of hawkish beliefs and preferences is built into the fabric of the human mind.

Social and cognitive psychologists have identified a number of predictable errors (psychologists call them biases) in the ways that humans judge situations and evaluate risks. Biases have been documented both in the laboratory and in the real world, mostly in situations that have no connection to international politics. For example, people are prone to exaggerating their strengths: About 80 percent of us believe that our driving skills are better than average. In situations of potential conflict, the same optimistic bias makes politicians and generals receptive to advisors who offer highly favorable estimates of the outcomes of war. Such a predisposition, often shared by leaders on both sides of a conflict, is likely to produce a disaster. And this is not an isolated example.

In fact, when we constructed a list of the biases uncovered in 40 years of psychological research, we were startled by what we found: All the biases in our list favor hawks. These psychological impulses—only a few of which we discuss here—incline national leaders to exaggerate the evil intentions of adversaries, to misjudge how adversaries perceive them, to be overly sanguine when hostilities start, and overly reluctant to make necessary concessions in negotiations. In short, these biases have the effect of making wars more likely to begin and more difficult to end.

.............SNIP"

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3660

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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:17 PM
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1. How about the fact that they have the most effetive
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 02:17 PM by groovedaddy
PROPAGANDA machine? Add it up - how many times has the U.S. initiated military actions to protect "our" interests in other countries? How many times has the U.S. military been used because of attacks on our territory and people?
Why look for socio/psychological causes when plainly, our aristocracy uses our military for their own economic ends quite frequently?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:25 PM
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2. I just think they have more options open to them since they have fewer
morals about killing people.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:30 PM
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3. I believe this may also be related to the fight or flight instinct
When we experience hatred or fear, this builds up negative energy within our bodies which needs release, instinctively we are drawn to one of two choices battle or leave. A horse for example wants to run virtually every time, as an aside I would suggest a book "The Man Who Listens to Horses", from which the The Horse Whisperer Movie was adapted, the book is superior.

The hawks decision is easy because it's one of those two choices related to basic instinct, no thinking about it, just fight. Many people feel comfort in their certitude in uncertain times, thus making it much easier for them to get their message out.

The doves take a third way, aspiring for a higher level of consciousness believing humanity should evolve beyond it's base instinct of kill or be killed. The problem with being on the leading edge of human development is just that, most people or societies have not caught up, thus making it more difficult to get their message out.

Thanks for the post applegrove

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:47 PM
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4. Yeah, but the hawk morans do have a sense of humor ...
After all, Duncan Hunter is truly running for President. Really, he is ... :rofl:

How deluded do these chest pounding Neanderthals have to be to believe *pure fantasy.*

Duncan Hunter ---> President of the United States = "GITMOs from Sea to Shining Sea" :patriot:

President Hunter? :rofl:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 06:09 PM
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5. Your welcome. Good points.
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