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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:08 PM
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Krugman: "Quagmire of the Vanities" (Cynical vs. Delusional)
This was such a good read; wish I could post the entire column:

Daniel Kahneman, who won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science for his research on irrationality in decision-making, thinks they’re delusional. Mr. Kahneman and Jonathan Renshon recently argued in Foreign Policy magazine that the administration’s unwillingness to face reality in Iraq reflects a basic human aversion to cutting one’s losses — the same instinct that makes gamblers stay at the table, hoping to break even.

Of course, such gambling is easier when the lives at stake are those of other people’s children.

I began writing about the Bush administration’s infallibility complex, the president’s Captain Queeg-like inability to own up to mistakes, almost a year before the invasion of Iraq. When you put a man like that in a position of power — the kind of position where he can punish people who tell him what he doesn’t want to hear, and base policy decisions on the advice of people who play to his vanity — it’s a recipe for disaster.

Consider, on one side, the case of the C.I.A.’s Baghdad station chief during 2004, who provided accurate assessments of the deteriorating situation in Iraq. “What is he, some kind of defeatist?” asked the president — and according to The Washington Post, at the end of his tour, the station chief “was punished with a poor assignment.”

On the other side, consider the men Mr. Bush has turned to since the midterm election. They constitute a remarkable coalition of the unwilling — men who have been wrong about Iraq every step of the way, but aren’t willing to admit it.

The principal proponents of the “surge” are William Kristol of The Weekly Standard and Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute. Now, even if the Joint Chiefs of Staff hadn’t given the surge a thumbs down, Mr. Kristol’s track record should have been reason enough to ignore his advice. For example, early in the war, Mr. Kristol dismissed as “pop sociology” warnings that there would be conflict between Sunnis and Shiites and that the Shiites might try to create an Islamic fundamentalist state. He assured National Public Radio listeners that “Iraq’s always been very secular.”

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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:13 PM
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1. I've been emailing it after reading it this AM. Top-notch editorial.
Thanks for posting. It deserves notice.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:21 PM
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2. I thought it was top-notch, too. I really believe Bush has a mental problem.
And I believe it has to do with the dynamics between him & his father.

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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:30 PM
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4. While dynamics of that family deserve exploration, it's the gene pool that scares me
:scared:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:34 PM
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7. It also involves BattleAxe Bar ...
Edited on Mon Jan-08-07 06:35 PM by LSparkle
While Poppy was away, RatBastard had to be the "man" of the house, and take care of BattleAxe ... No doubt he heard her ragging on Poppy (she was probably the first one to famously call him a wimp!) and now he's doing everything he can to prove her right ... and his father wrong. It's completely oedipal but probably has more to do with Georgie wanting to prove himself to ol' Bar (HE's no wimp!) than with punishing Poppy.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:38 PM
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9. You're probably right, but in any case, it has to do with resentment.
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Teacher in SC Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:28 PM
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3. Why only part of the article?
I don't understand why you couldn't post the whole article. Are there rules at DU that limit the number of words or something like that?

I thought the article was on target. I especially liked the line:
"...what's clear is the enormous price our nation is paying for President Bush's character flaws."
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:33 PM
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6. New York Times Select = $$ for entire article, plus DU rules, ... plus
Welcome to DU :hi:
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:36 PM
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8. Due to copyright, there's a DU rule that allows only 4-5 paragraphs to be posted. :(
He talks about John McCain, "another man who can't make mistakes", who "now says that he always knew that the conflict was 'probably going to be long and hard and tough' — but back in 2002, before the Senate voted on the resolution authorizing the use of force, he declared that a war with Iraq would be 'fairly easy.'

And Henry Kissinger: "Not that Mr. Bush rejects all advice from elder statesmen. We now know that he has been talking to Henry Kissinger. But Mr. Kissinger is a kindred spirit. In remarks published after his death, Gerald Ford said of his secretary of state, 'Henry in his mind never made a mistake, so whatever policies there were that he implemented, in retrospect he would defend.'"
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Teacher in SC Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 07:11 PM
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11. Krugman's article - - additional favorite pieces
Thanks for the info, 8_year_nightmare! Here are two of my limit of 4 - 5!

My favorite parts included his reference to Senator Joseph Biden telling The Washington Post "that administration officials are simply running out the clock, so that the next president will be 'the guy landing helicopters inside the Green Zone, taking people off the roof.'"

His closing line was excellent:
"No, Iraq has become a quagmire of the vanities -- a place where America is spending blood and treasure to protect the egos of men who won't admit that they were wrong."
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:30 PM
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5. Krugman is a very intelligent writer.
I rarely disagree with his analysis. Kristol on the other hand is just a right wing idiot.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:40 PM
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10. ITA. For just a short while, not too long ago, Kristol was dissing Bush.
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