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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:35 PM
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LAT: Iraqi leadership sees links with Democratic congress ("Dem. ideas are more related to reality")
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 09:48 PM by Pirate Smile
Iraqi leadership sees links with Democratic congress

By Borzou Daragahi, Times Staff Writer
5:47 PM PST, January 27, 2007

BAGHDAD, Iraq --
-snip-

Many pointed out advantages to the Democrats' increased sway over Iraq policy. Officials of the Shiite-led government said they have generally found the Democratic position on handing over security to Iraqi forces sooner rather than later closer to theirs. Almost all agree on Democratic Party initiatives, squashed when Republicans controlled Congress, to prevent the building of permanent U.S. bases here. They note news reports of Democrats acknowledging the suffering of the Iraqi population.

"I see that the Democratic ideas are more related to reality," said Ammar Tu'ma, a Shiite lawmaker who serves in al-Maliki's coalition. "They talk about the real problems that the Iraqis are facing every day."

To date, government officials said, they've also found the Democratic visitors such as Pelosi, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois less parochial, more culturally sensitive and more willing to listen to Iraqi concerns than Republicans.

"Before Bush used to order Iraqi officials to do this and that," said one member of al-Maliki's Dawa Party, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The Republicans were dictating the political process in Iraq. With the Democrats in control of Congress, the Republicans are now less influential than before. It helps us in a sense to breathe a bit more and to have more freedom."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraqdems28jan28,0,4971850.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Shocking, huh?



No, not at all.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:41 PM
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1. Very good. Very important. (nt)
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:52 PM
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2. K&R Great read!
:kick:
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:55 PM
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3. I think the American public
agrees, considering the results of the Nov. election. K&R.
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:59 PM
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4. Could be used to define
Democrat vs republicon. Dems "...talk about the real problems that the Iraqis are facing every day."

"Republicans were dictating the political process in Iraq."

k&r
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 10:00 PM
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5. Iraqi Government Prefers Dealing With Reality Based Leaders - Film at 11!
That's my take on the situation.

I made up the part about film at 11:00. This development lacks blood and gore and isn
t corporate-sanctioned toadiness, so no film for this one.

I'm grateful the LA Times covered it. I hope it has some legs, but I doubt it.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 10:19 PM
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6. What is all this reality-based BS?
Who needs it when we have The Decision Maker?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 10:54 PM
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8. Yep, we just live in the "reality-based community" while they "create" their "own reality".
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?ex=1255665600en=890a96189e162076ei=5090

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 10:50 PM
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7. "Less parochial"...
...which I take to mean that, unlike *, the first thing they ask isn't "why are you wearing that funny hat?"
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:14 PM
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9. Not hard to imagine the enormous resentment Iraqi leaders must feel
toward the greedy and reckless * administration.

After all their grandiose talk about how they were "spreading democracy and freedom" in Iraq, the criminals in the WH have demonstrated anything BUT the pursuit of noble goals in that country. What they've done instead is shatter it to pieces and drench it in blood.

I'll bet every Iraqi leader since the occupation began has learned the hard way just what it is * really wants there.

I am so glad to hear that al-Maliki's people are recognizing things really have changed in OUR government, and that they're determined to establish connections with Democrats now. We can only guess at how refreshing it must have been for them to meet with Speaker Pelosi and Senators Clinton and Obama!

It's also gratifying to think about how pissed off the naked Chimperor must be over this shift in the Iraq government's focus and attitude.

Thanks so much, Pirate Smile, for finding and sharing this article. It could well be a lot more important than it might at first seem!


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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 02:04 AM
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10. News like this gives me a renewed pride in our Democratic representatives.
It's time to take off the training wheels and give the Iraqis their country back.

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 05:25 AM
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11. Whoever is a decision-maker
"They have to see people from both sides, because they are both taking part in the administration of the country," Adeeb said. "Whoever is a decision-maker in America, we have to have relations with."


"It's more balanced now," said the Dawa Party member who asked not to be named. "What we're seeing is Mr. Maliki criticizing Bush. You didn't have that before."


Iraq no longer recognizes bush as 'the decision-maker'?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 09:46 AM
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12. only the shirlls get heard
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