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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:36 PM
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Guardian UK: Once the most beloved country in the world, the US is now the most hated
Once the most beloved country in the world, the US is now the most hated


The American swagger has become bombast, the cocky GI a bully. But with luck the pendulum may be ready to swing back

Jan Morris
Wednesday February 14, 2007
The Guardian

'Whisper of how I'm yearning", sang George M Cohan in one of the great American songs of nostalgia, "to mingle with the old time throng". Well, I'm yearning too, not for the gang at 42nd Street exactly, but for the America that Cohan was indirectly hymning - for the Idea of America, with a capital I, which once made the United States not just the most potent of all the nations but genuinely the most liked.

Perhaps, with a future new president already champing at the bit, we are about to witness its rebirth. As a foreigner I am immune to the rivalries or seductions of American party politics, but I have loved the old place for 60 years, and I simply pray for an American leader to give us back its baraka, as the Arabs say - nothing to do with religion or economics or power or even ideology, but the gift of being at once blessed and blessing.

Of course nobody can claim that the old dreams of America were ever perfectly fulfilled. They often let us down. They were betrayed by the national reputations for crime, corruption, racism and rampant materialism. Not all the presidents, God knows, were icons of virtue or even of glamour, and the benevolent Uncle Sam of the old cartoonists was more often interpreted, around the world, as a fat moron in horn-rimmed spectacles, chewing a cigar. Nobody's perfect, still less any republic.

But I think it is true that only in our time has the American Idea lost its baraka. A generation or two ago, most of us, wherever we lived, loved the generous self-satisfaction of it, if not in the general, at least in the particular. The GI was not then a sort of goggled monster in padded armour, but a cheerful fellow chatting up the girls and distributing candy not as a matter of policy, but out of plain goodwill - everyone's friendly guy next door. To millions of radio listeners around the world, the Voice of America was a voice of decency, and one could watch the lachrymose patriotic rituals of America - the hand on heart, the misty-eyed salute to the flag - with more affection than irony. .....(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2012492,00.html


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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:36 PM
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1. Hulk Hogan VS. Hollywood Hogn
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 10:01 PM
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9. No, it's the idea of Hulk Hogan himself
The swaggering, brain-dead symbol of absolute might versus intelligent, thoughtful cooperation and true leadership that USED to be the United States of America.

That died along with JFK, IMHO.

And I've seen no effort to bring it back.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:42 AM
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12. Too true. The love & respect garnered by FDR, Truman &
Marshall has been squandered by bushco.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:00 PM
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2. We have seen the enemy, and he is US. - Mirror, mirror on the wall...who is the fairest one of all?
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 05:30 PM by Dover
We are our own worst enemy. But at least if/when we find ourselves again we will not carry many of the illusions that gave rise to a narcissistic, false altruism and a self serving, condescending parental relationship with the rest of the world.

Maybe many countries have had a festering anger for a longer time than we (or our buddies in the UK) can acknowledge. Maybe they are only just now feeling empowered enough to find their collective voice. Kind of like an abused spouse or child might.

The U.S. needs to rediscover who we are within the global family rather than purely based on self referential information. The nationalistic and protectivist, controlled media could help by allowing this country to have an honest exchange with the world, to really hear from other countries, know more about what's happening and how they respond to us and our actions instead of spinning everything in a way that would seem favorable to us. Anyone who has ever lived abroad knows the difference in press coverage. Relationships are mirrors and necessary for growth and self knowledge. If our faux mirror always tells us how beautiful we are, how can hope to respond in any way but narcissistically and therefore exclusionary? ]

In the same way, how can a government who circles the wagons and only listens to those who regurgitate the meme ever hope to move forward or become part of a global community?
They sit in their circle of fear, paralyzed.
They can't even tolerate debate and/or dissent at home. And like overprotective parents, terrified that their children will leave the nest and form their own opinions, they continue to isolate the U.S. population (for our own good, of course..."big bad world out there"). Very fundamentalist mindset and doomed to failure via rebellion or a numbed and dumbed down ineffective populace.

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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:26 PM
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3. When George W. Bush beats out Osama BinLanden
as the most hated man in the world (Pew International), the US absolutely is in deep "shit".
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:47 PM
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4. Well, on a desperate-to-be-positive note, maybe Bushco has served an important service for the U.S.
Bushco has taught us that our shit stinks too, so maybe now we can join the human family.
Everybody, every country has a 'dark side', and we have met our shadow in deuces.

Of course the smell will linger for some time....even when our media whips out the room freshener.
Hopefully our lesson is learned and we will mature into responsible global citizens. Are we there yet? Are we prepared and willing to stand on our hard-earned truth?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 09:38 PM
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7. You forgot Satan
;)
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 10:13 PM
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13. How to hold the mirror.......


...The subject of the extremely narrow point of view of most Americans as opposed to the majority of other peoples in the world came up in a conversation the other day. The people having the conversation were, as it happens, mostly American. One of them commented that Americans had been "programmed" to their point of view by mass media propaganda for a very long time and that it was simply a very normal part of American life and basically, always had been. She concluded, "Whoever denies it is either ignorant or has an agenda."

That may be so. It may be true that the "pied pipers" of denial have an agenda. But what, then, does one say or do about the ignorance of the vast majority of Americans? Why and how is it that the trap of Fascism is closing on them before their very eyes and no matter how many voices - the number is increasing every day - are raised to point out this danger, they simply do not seem to get it?

The conversation continued with a comment from another individual suggesting that one must take into account how effective the "official culture" actually is in the US. It isn't just a question of ignorance, but a question of the long-term thoroughness of the propagandizing that began in the early days of the last century. It was proposed that this propaganda is so complete that not only are most people in the US ignorant of what is taking place on the US political scene, and in the world as a direct result of US policy, they are ignorant of the fact that they are ignorant. They have been inculcated with the view that their view is the only "right" one" and, consequently, they really "don't know any better". In short: "What do you do if you don't know that you don't know something?"

Well, the thing is, at some point in time, no matter how thorough the programming has been, most people will eventually end up coming across some bit or piece of information that isn't going to quite "jibe" with the "official culture;" it isn't going to "fit" in with their view of reality, with what they have been taught, and it is usually just a little bit uncomfortable when this happens. Or it ought to be...cont'd

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm



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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:53 PM
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5. "The audacity of HOPE."
"All it needs is someone with a key to unlock that Idea again, and I hope it will be that next president, whoever it is, even now gearing up for the election. Please God, may it be a poetic president. Inspiration has been the true engine of American success, and all its greatest presidents have been people with a divine spark. The dullards may have been efficient, respected or influential, but the Jeffersons and the Roosevelts, the Lincolns and the Kennedys have all been, in their different ways, artists.

"So may it be a president with the key of original inspiration who can release the Idea from its occlusion. All the ingredients are still there, after all - the kindness, the imagination, the merriment, the will, the talent, the energy, the goddam orneriness, the plain goodness - all there waiting to burst out once more and bring us back our America, blessed and blessing too."


I strongly agree with what the author has expressed here and only one declared candidate at this point makes me believe in this kind of hope again.

GObama!!

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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 09:35 PM
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6. Thank you, chimp, for making us so loved.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 09:40 PM
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8. I suppose if we agree with that article..
We're destroying the morale of our brave men and women in uniform. :sarcasm:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 04:14 AM
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10. K&R. I know exactly how to turn it all around...
Impeach, indict, imprison.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 08:34 AM
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11. "the American Idea lost its baraka"...
wonder if that's a hint...
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