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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:06 AM
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In These Times: Who’s Afraid of Democracy? (answer: free-market conservatives)
Who’s Afraid of Democracy?

Believing that “people are rational as consumers and irrational as voters,” many conservatives would favor free markets without democracy

By Christopher Hayes

Behavioral economists at UC San Diego recently conducted a study in which tokens were distributed among experimental subjects, with a few getting a concentrated chunk of the wealth and a majority getting little. They offered the “poor” subjects the opportunity to pay a price to take money away from the rich. The catch was that rather than being redistributed, the money would simply disappear. Economic orthodoxy predicts that few would snap at the chance, since they’d be paying for something that would confer no direct benefit. But they did. In spades.

Though only one data point, it suggests that people have a profound sense of economic fairness, that we are all, more or less, intuitive socialists. As far back as Edmund Burke, conservatives have suspected as much and feared democracy for that very reason. Read James Madison in the Federalist Papers and it’s clear that many of the Constitution’s undemocratic elements were designed to prevent the expropriation of wealth from an outnumbered elite.

This central tension between laissez faire capitalism and the redistributive whims of a democratic electorate isn’t discussed much. But it can poke through the surface during moments of clarity, such as the last election, when minimum wage increases passed in every state—red and blue—where they were on the ballot.

For Bryan Caplan, an economist at George Mason University and author of The Myth of the Rational Voter: Why Democracies Choose Bad Policies, the minimum wage is an iconic example of the economically backwards policies favored by the foolish masses. “In theory,” he writes, “democracy is a bulwark against socially harmful policies, but in practice it gives them safe harbor.” Examining this “paradox” takes up the rest of the book, but his explanation is pretty simple: Voters are crazy.

The Myth of the Rational Voter is best understood in the context of a long-standing academic debate over whether democracy works. It’s a question that has two related, but distinct, sub-components: Do democracies produce optimal policies for its citizens? And do democracies produce policies that accurately reflect the will of the majority?

The most sanguine observers say “yes” on both counts. But given that surveys consistently show that voters are distressingly ignorant about both the rudiments of policy (whether we spend more on foreign aid or social security) and politics (how many senators each state has), it’s a difficult case to make. Another strain of thought is the so-called Public Choice school, which answers “no” to both questions. Public Choice theorists tend, like Caplan, to be free market enthusiasts and argue that democracies inevitably lead to bloated bureaucracies, trade protectionism and inefficient subsidies. These sub-optimal economic policies occur not because of their widespread popularity, but rather because the state’s agenda is so easily manipulated by special interests looking to make easy money by regulating their competitors or getting their hands on taxpayer dollars.

Caplan disagrees: Democracy fails to produce good policies precisely because it reflects the will of the majority. Or, as H.L. Mencken once put it: “Democracy is the theory that the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”

What the people want, according to Caplan, is economic bollocks. To establish this point, he devotes a chapter to the Survey of Americans and Economists on the Economy (SAEE). Conducted in 1996, the survey asked economists and members of the general public questions about the economy, and found a divergence of opinion on almost every principle of policy: whether taxes, immigration and foreign aid are major or minor contributors to the nation’s economic health, whether “business profits are too high,” and whether “downsizing” is hurting the economy.

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Caplan’s willingness to embrace the darkness, however, is what makes this book so important: It articulates in lurid detail the obscene id of Chicago-school, Grover-Norquist-style, free market fundamentalism (a term Caplan spends a chapter rebutting). Given a choice between democracy without free markets or free markets without democracy, many conservatives would gladly choose the latter. Hence Milton Friedman advising Augusto Pinochet in Chile and the Bush administration’s support of a coup in Venezuela.

And the book’s manifest elitism is not fringe. It is blurbed by economist Alan Blinder, who advised President Clinton, and N. Gregory Mankiw, who headed the Council of Economic Advisors under George W. Bush. Over the last 30 years, conservatives have made political hay by railing against liberal “elitists” who want to substitute the judgment of faceless bureaucrats, activist judges and pointy-headed intellectuals for that of the common man. Yet if you got some prominent conservatives off the record—after plying them with a few drinks—I bet more than a few would agree with Caplan: Voters are fools.
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The complete piece is at: http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3185/whos_afraid_of_democracy/

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:08 AM
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1. Corporate crooks are afraid of govt for and by the people.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:29 AM
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2. That's why their hero is Pinochet
Chicago School Economics combined with Mussolini police-state politics

You don't think "libertarians" really want liberty do you?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:04 PM
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7. "Libertarians are Anarchists that want police protection from thier slaves."
-Kim Stanley Robinson
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gobblechops Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:33 AM
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3. I want
to know where they got the idea that profit is more important and should be more important then the well being of others,there free market beliefs quickly collapse under scrutiny when you have to consider that a large population of working poor have too be available for them to become wealthy.duh!

if everyone was educated at the same level and was a free market enthusiast(yeah right)who never gave up and everyone was lucky enough to get the loans for there bis or venture then what?no one would have employees there is no incentive working for someone else under a free market system.


there ideas are basically dumb in practice, have never worked with out great suffering,and i am sorry but i am not going to worship money i am gonna be with and take care of my family.

and one last point if everyone is working poor then who the hell is gonna buy your crap.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:11 PM
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8. Free Market Fundimentalism is like Marxism in that it treats people like machines
Both are rooted in overly simplistic and outdated mechanistic, atomistic, deterministic notions of human behavior from the 1800s, notions overthrown by Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung in the early 1900s and by a better understanding of the cognitive and sociological basis of our behavior in the last several decades.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:21 AM
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4. Democracy Has Never Been Popular With Greed and Selfishness
Because Democracy precludes the idea that "Might Makes Right", would-be thugs want no part of it. In Democracy:

they wouldn't be allowed to amass private armies;

they wouldn't be allowed to infringe on their neighbors' God-given rights;

they wouldn't be allowed to break laws with impunity;

they wouldn't be allowed to lie without proof and cross-examination;

they wouldn't be allowed to act like a mafioso crime family.

I can only conclude that we do not live in anything even approaching a democracy, and haven't since Reagan.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 12:27 AM
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5. Jack London figured this out over 100 years ago
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:02 PM
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6. Libertarians and Neo-Liberals hate democracy.
They are afraid that "the unwashed masses" (The People) will vote to "steal thier money" (tax them). They are elitists and Social Darwinists that wrap themselves up with terms like "freedom" and "liberty" in order to fool people.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 02:01 PM
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9. The neoliberals make some good points
but like all ideologies, they take there views as dogma and believe that free markets are the answer to everything. The problem is that when you think you are right on all issues, you are probably wrong.

Their theory of minimum wage is flawed. While it looks true on paper, there is little real world evidence to back it up that minimum wages would increase unemployment, unless you make the wages extremely high. The labor markets in reality are much more complicated than the markets for commodities like corn.

There just needs to a balance between free markets and social welfare. The problem with some liberal policies is that they can ignore the free markets, which end up making more problems, and the neoliberals think that the free markets are the answer to all when in the past it has been proven it is not the case.

I think the best economic policies would come about if neoliberal and liberal thoughts come to a compromise on the issues. It really has nothing to do if there is a democracy in place or not.

In an ideal world, a philosopher king might be the best way to run the government, but that all obviously depends on who is in charge.

A cynical view on democracy would be that people only favor it when the will of the people supports your own personal views.
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