Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Day After We Strike Iran

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Editorials & Other Articles Donate to DU
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:04 PM
Original message
The Day After We Strike Iran
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8151

The Day After We Strike Iran
by Gary Leupp | Jun 16 2007


snip//

Meanwhile, reaction in Iraq to reports of a U.S. strike on Iran will hardly be positive. Iraqi Shiites (60% of the population) will naturally identify with victimized Shiite Iran and hate the occupiers more, without necessarily fearing them more. If you really want to do something that will fuel the Shiites' historical sense of victimization, and unite Shiites from Lebanon to Oman and beyond, the best thing you could do is bomb Iran--not sparing the holy sites. But Iraq's Sunnis won't be happy either. Whatever their feelings about Iran, they'll feel no joy in the expansion of U.S. operations in the Muslim world. The entire world will respond with revulsion. From Europe to Japan there will be much discussion about how to best distance oneself and protect oneself from a USA gone nuts.

But what will happen here in the U.S. after the Iran attack? How will we react? If it happens, it won't be announced the way the invasion of Iraq was. There will be more and more unattributed reports of Iranian arms deliveries to unlikely recipients like the Taliban or Sunni "insurgents" in Iraq. More alarmist reports on Iran's nuclear progress. More propaganda about Iran's intention to nuke Israel and produce a second Holocaust. More indignant statements about Iran's defiance of UNSC resolutions. But the timing might come as a surprise.

As the attack gets underway some Democratic leaders in Congress will indicate support for the move, based on the doctored intelligence reports they've read, or have had on their desk and possibly perused. Some will withhold comment or maybe even object to the action. I have the feeling both timidity and stupidity will initially prevail. There is little precedent for U.S. politicians condemning a U.S. attack on a country just after it's occurred.

I would expect those on the contact-lists of the various antiwar coalitions would be out on the streets in force immediately after the (first) attack, shouting "SHAME" and making it clear to the world that Bush doesn't represent the American people. I'd expect that large numbers of people would gather to demand that the Congress move immediately to impeach Bush and Cheney. I'd hope that the Democrats in Congress would find it in their interest to do so, but if Nancy Pelosi becomes president, will there be any great change? On Iran, Pelosi has deferred to AIPAC.

The antiwar movement has become disillusioned with the Democrats, and even with a mercilessly self-perpetuating system that uses its two parties to convey the illusion that the political status quo is the product of competition. Still, it sees no alternative to a mix of letter-writing, lobbying, voting, rallying, marching, exercising constitutional rights, operating within the paradigm. But Cindy Sheehan officially dropped out of the movement concluding that the "paradigm. . . is now, I am afraid, carved in immovable, unbendable and rigidly mendacious marble."

She is right. The neocons want us to "think outside the box." Maybe we should one-up them and think outside the system. The "way our system works," writes Andrew J. Bacevich, "negates democracy, rendering free speech little more than a means of recording dissent." In it, "Money maintains the Republican/Democratic duopoly of trivialized politics." What can the honest dissenter do when informed that the U.S. ("your") government has committed a spectacular war crime? When can you do when you learn that, once again-- without your permission--the U.S. has attacked a sovereign country posing no real threat to you? Generating enormous hatred for America throughout the world? What do we do the day after? I would just like to pose the question for discussion as we approach that moment.

:scared: :scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:06 PM
Response to Original message
1. If We Knew What to Do, We'd Be Doing It Already
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 01:07 PM by Demeter
We don't need to wait for Iranic Events. God knows we've tried everything except national strikes and insurrection.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. The R word
Edited on Sat Jun-16-07 01:48 PM by undergroundpanther
If there are strikes riots etc. The bushies are ready.
Microwave crowd control devices,"free speech zones",internment camps, The cabal of assholes have all sorts of nasty"non lethal" shit to capture a populace.
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/12/72134
http://www.wanttoknow.info/050708nonlethalweapons
http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/soft/nonlethal.htm

And get them working for free for greedy asshole corporations like unicor.
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/mt/mt11labor.html
Jail where nobody has any rights,
http://www.prisonwall.org/labor.htm

And if you get hurt by some crowd control weapon you can't easily sue.You know tort reform took care of that letting corporations and courts declare your problem"frivolous".Remember the medical costs for the uninsured hurt by crowd control weapons ,The Hospital will make sure you are harassed by collections and and in debt and if you can't pay up fast enough you can't easily go bankrupt now.What will the solution proposed by the greedy be? Indentured slavery, the age old scam works in 3rd world countries to keep families slaves for generations.


These pigs are ready to retaliate and quash any hopes of our country making changes as it wakes up, making changes through means different than writing letters that get ignored,phone calls that go unheard,and sign waving peaceful protests that get scuttled in the background ,negated as"focus groups"...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
2. The Day After We Strike Iran the Green Zone gets obliterated!. = Won't Happen!
Not to mention aircraft carriers sinking, etc. The US will not attack a nation that will fight back and destroy the military.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. This administration has never really cared about the military
If they did, they wouldn't have sent them on a mission to invade a country that didn't attack us and had no present capability to do so. They're delusional and don't see that there's a limit to what even the strongest military in the world can do. They choose to ignore the fact that our treasury is massively in debt to foreign investors and most of the world has lost its liking and respect for at least our government, if not our people.

Howard Dean was bitterly attacked for suggesting that the day might come when we wouldn't be the strongest nation on the planet any more. Unfortunately, we may see that day soon because of the actions of this administration, the one that defines itself as patriotic but doesn't know the meaning of the word.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madhoosier Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 05:23 PM
Response to Original message
5. Bush will declare a state of emergency and implement martial law.
By attacking Iran the United States will become an outlaw nation in the eyes of the world. On that day President Bush will order the Federal government to also become an outlaw government domestically; Bush will declare a state of emergency, implement martial law, ban protests and become a dictator.

The Neocons haven’t spent six years gathering vast amounts of power to the presidency to hand the office over to a democrat.

The attack on Iran will also serve as an economic scapegoat. The economic policies of the Neocons have destroyed the middle class and working poor. Deregulation of the economy has lead to some very questionable accounting practices in corporate America, the mortgage industry and the housing bubble are ready to implode; the resulting depression will now be blamed on the war with Iran instead of the republicans.

I’d advise Americans to look at a map of the Middle East; the only land based airport that could be used for an attack on Iran is Diego Garcia 4,000 miles from Tehran. The host countries of all the other American airbases in the Middle East have forbidden use of bases on their land for an attack on Iran. Tehran is 700 miles from where American aircraft carriers could launch planes in the Persian Gulf but then the carriers would be trapped in the Gulf by Iran’s arsenal of anti-ship missiles. Planes launched from carriers in the northern Arabian Sea would have to fly over a thousand miles of enemy territory to reach Tehran. Iran has Russian, state of the art, anti-aircraft missiles. An attack using carrier based planes only will be far from the shock and awe of Bush’s attack on Iraq. Also because of the long distances an attack with cruise missiles would give the Iranian leadership time to escape into Iran’s vast countryside.

Because of the geography it’s my guess that the first waves of attacks on Iran will be with ballistic missiles, it’s also my guess that these missiles will be armed with nuclear warheads. Overlooked in the Project for A New American Century’s defining document, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” is PNAC’s desire to use chemical, biological, genetic and nuclear weapons.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-17-07 01:12 AM
Response to Original message
6. "Maybe we should one-up (neocons) and think outside the system"
Edited on Sun Jun-17-07 01:15 AM by IndianaGreen
Except for the usual principled Democrats, Dennis Kucinich to name only one of many, I expect the Democratic establishment to rally around Israel, I meant to say the US, and back the bombing of Iran. If Bush uses nuclear bunker buster bombs, I think that some of the Bush enablers in the Democratic Party might even find that repugnant, but they won't say anything.

Putin, Paris Hilton, and GW Bush

Norman Markowitz


Bush reached the presidency only after the Supreme Court voted five to four against all reliable evidence to prematurely end a recount in votes in Florida, after his "lead" had dropped to less than two hundred out of ten million, a profoundly undemocratic and historically unprecedented act. Two "regular Republicans" joined three ultra-right Repulicans to make Bush president, against four liberal and centrist judges.

Many believe that Bush also lost Ohio and the electoral vote in 2004 through Republican policies of systematically challenging (purging is a better term) the qualifications of those registered voters who statistically are most likely to vote against him, which resulted in the de facto disenfranchisement of thousands of voters.

If the "New Russian" government had an iota of the "spunk" of the old Soviet government, they would have seized upon Bush's comments to tell him things like this and stick it to him--to condemn his crude imperialist interventionism in Iraq and many other places, to point to the violation of the Geneva Rules of War at Guantanamo and in other places, and perhaps even to point to the "oligarchs" of Enron, Halliburton, and Big Texas Oil who have grown spectatularly rich during his administration (not that they were having any real problems when Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton and Boris Yeltsin in 1993 was "defending new Russian democracy" by using the military to brutally suppress his elected opponents in the Russian Duma).

But no one should expect Putin to speak like Molotov or Mikoyan, Soviet foreign ministers of the past. No one should even expect him to show the wit of Maxim Litvinoff, the Soviet foreign minister and champion of anti-fascist collective security in the 1930s, who, when Franklin Roosevelt in a light-hearted way suggested that the Soviet Union would do better with a two party system, answered that "Mr. President. In the Soviet Union we have one party, the Communist Party, that represents one class, the working class. In the United States you have two parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, who represent one class, the capitalist class."

http://paeditorsblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/putin-paris-hilton-and-gw-bush.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 09:23 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Editorials & Other Articles Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC