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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:22 PM
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Robert Parry: Sen. Levin's False History and Logic
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Sen. Levin's False History and Logic
by Robert Parry | Jun 23 2007

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But Levin’s logic is wrong again. While his proposal – to impose a troop withdrawal deadline – would require 60 votes to stop a Republican filibuster and then would need 67 votes to overcome Bush’s certain veto, the same is not true for a war-funding cut-off.

To secure the money to continue fighting the war, Bush is the one who needs majorities in both the House and the Senate. Indeed, arguably, he would need 60 votes in the Senate to end a filibuster if anti-war senators mounted one.

More likely, however, if faced with a determined Democratic majority, Bush would have no choice but to seek a compromise in order to get at least some of what he wants.

In other words, if the Democrats were to hold firm against giving Bush another blank check – as their leaders vowed to do in early 2007 – Bush would have to decide between accepting some strings, such as a withdrawal timetable, or getting no money at all, thus forcing an end to the war.

By contrast, Levin’s “strategy” amounts to running up the white flag at the beginning of the battle, telling Bush that the Democrats will cave in if he sticks to his guns. That approach proved disastrous in May when Democrats retreated tails between their legs and Bush celebrated their humiliation.

After that debacle, not only was the Democratic “base” furious but public opinion polls showed a drastic drop-off in support of the Democratic-controlled Congress. A similar round of feckless posturing this fall will only harden the voters’ contempt, thus playing into Republican hands for Election 2008.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:26 PM
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1. YES! Friggin' yes, friggin' yes, yes, yes!! Someone telling the truth!
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 04:26 PM by acmavm
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To secure the money to continue fighting the war, Bush is the one who needs majorities in both the House and the Senate. Indeed, arguably, he would need 60 votes in the Senate to end a filibuster if anti-war senators mounted one.

More likely, however, if faced with a determined Democratic majority, Bush would have no choice but to seek a compromise in order to get at least some of what he wants.

In other words, if the Democrats were to hold firm against giving Bush another blank check – as their leaders vowed to do in early 2007 – Bush would have to decide between accepting some strings, such as a withdrawal timetable, or getting no money at all, thus forcing an end to the war.

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The bottom line folks. The dems can do it. They can keep bush tied up in knots forever.

They just likes that corporate cash, that's all.

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:41 PM
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2. K&R - This is exactly what Dennis Kucinich has been saying - the Dems
don't need to write a funding bill. I do believe that Boooshy is playing chicken with them - I believe that he has made back-room threats that if Dems don't fund X then he will do Y -- and Y will hurt the troops. The question for the Dems to answer is whether the Y that Boooshy is threatening is any worse than dragging this war crime out further and further into the future.

:kick:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:47 PM
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3. But If We Vote It Down Bush** Will Get on TV and Say That Democrats Don't Support the Troops
and the TV will put Joe Lieberman on as the "Democratic Response".
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:53 PM
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4. And you want to Corporate Controlled Media to dictate to our representatives based on FEAR?
No thank you. We have to quit acting like abused spouses. We are not responsible for the criminal illogical actions of "THEM". They are responsible for their illegal immoral criminal acts.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:14 PM
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5. I WANT Them to IMPEACH BushCheney and Send Them To The Hague
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 05:31 PM by AndyTiedye
Like This:






But as you may have noticed, articles of impeachment are conspicuous by their absence on the House floor.
Instead of impeaching Bush** for starting an illegal war based on fraud and deceit, they have voted to continue it.

We are not getting what we want, and it is not as though we haven't been telling them. We have been ringing their phones off the hook.

Unless they are all just like Joe Lieberman underneath (a prospect too horrible to contemplate),
we must assume they are being intimidated by the Repiglicans' Mighty Slime Machine.



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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:39 PM
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6. Wiser people said this before the capitulation...
but the clueless, feckless fools couldn't accept Bush's veto.
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