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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:50 PM
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Gore's Message Loses Bite
The Daily Telegraph (Australia)

By Rebecca Keeble
July 18, 2007 12:00am

ONLY one week after Live Earth, Al Gore's green credentials slipped while hosting his daughter's wedding in Beverly Hills. Gore and his guests at the weekend ceremony dined on Chilean sea bass - arguably one of the world's most threatened fish species.

Also known as Patagonian toothfish, the species is under pressure from illegal, unregulated and unreported fishing activities in the Southern Ocean, jeopardising the sustainability of remaining stocks.

The species is currently managed by the Commission for the Conservation of Antarctic Living Marine Resources, the body which introduced a catch and trade documentation scheme as an attempt to tackle illegal poaching of this species.

<snip>

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22090734-5001031,00.html

Maybe the caterer was running low on ivory-crested woodpecker? :shrug:


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:55 PM
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1. The person who wrote this was not clear on the message to begin with?
It was about global warming not supposedly endangered food.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:59 PM
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5. Jeez - No wonder Al doesn't want to run for Pres again. Why would he?
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 11:59 PM by Bobbieo
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:57 PM
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2. Yeah, they'd better send out instructions with the talking points now
Ah, methinks a bit of fall is in the air. ;)
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:57 PM
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3. asked and answered
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:07 AM
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9. I think you were pointing to this specific post in that thread
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:08 AM by Whoa_Nelly
(Love DEM permalinks!)

This post by pinto explains the Chilean Sea bass and how it is not endangered, but is managed with catch limits.

Much more clarifying info at link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1361021&mesg_id=1361150
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:14 AM
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13. well actually, I meant the whole thread
yes, that was a (sort of) debunking post, but my point was

oh fuck, here we go again!
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:24 AM
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16. Yup! You are right...
It has the potential to start all over again! :hide:
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:17 AM
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14. The Gore "outrage" is of course silly, but the thread you point to is mistaken
Those who follow your link will read about sensible fisheries management of the Patagonian toothfish (aka Chilean Sea Bass in the US). All well and good - except that the threat comes not from regulated fishermen, but from pirates, who overfish in legal areas, and illegally fish in conservation areas. The pirates are taking at least as much as the legitimate fishermen, and compounding the damage with wasteful and harmful practices, such as including juveniles (crucial to population stability) in the catch.

There is more confusion and nuance in this issue than I care to detail in a post here. But one could look at the following link for an overview, and then start Googling.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/11/061128-sea-bass.html

IMO, no one should eat Chilean Sea Bass until this mess is dealt with and the threats removed. The National Environmental Trust feels the same way. http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/csb
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:34 AM
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18. Yes
and it is my favorite fish in the world but I gave up eating it several years ago. It tastes like no other fish when properly prepared. Heaven on a plate. Sigh.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:53 AM
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19. I feel the same way and don't eat it
i got a "responsible seafood diner's" list somewhere and try to follow it.

But since I am largely vegetarian and only indulge in seafood maybe every couple of months, my being "responsible" doesn't make much of a dent

the sad fact is there is not much left on the planet, whether plant or animal, that humans haven't either over-harvested or contaminated perhaps irreversibly
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:58 PM
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4. Ridiculous.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:59 PM
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6. There is no such species
as Ivory-crested Woodpecker.

I have the woodpecker book.

I know this. :D
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:07 AM
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10. Heh heh - right you are
I meant ivory-billed woodpecker, of course. Once thought extinct, but as of 2004, not quite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory-billed_Woodpecker
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:05 PM
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20. You mean this one?
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:02 AM
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7. The right is really, really scared of Al Gore!
And, since this comes from an Australian (.au) website, we know he's scaring, and pissing off, the transnationals!

Go, Al, Go!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:12 AM
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12. From an unimpeachable source...the Daily Telegraph....
Murdoch's really trying to take Al down. Don't quite understand why this B.S. deserves a 2nd & 3rd thread....

:nuke:
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:19 AM
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15. It's an editorial - which is kind of the whole point of this section
We need to be aware of what's being said outside our enclave walls, donchathink?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:07 AM
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8. If only there was half as much scrutiny of the RW. n/t
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 12:07 AM by Jim4Wes
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:08 AM
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11. And another thing.
The Marine Stewardship Council (MSC), an independent non-profit body dedicated to sustainable fishing practices and ocean health, recently certified a fishery operating out of South Georgia Island for the sustainable harvesting of Chilean sea bass. This island is near the South Sandwich Islands located in the extreme southern Atlantic, where harsh prevailing weather conditions and active volcanism make it difficult for fishermen. While poaching remains a serious threat to Chilean sea bass in other areas, this remote fishery has proven itself to be a responsible one dedicated to sustainable practices as documented by the MSC.

It's possible that Al's endulgence was A-OK with the MSC.
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/products/seafood/chileanseabass.html

What a load.

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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:12 AM
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17. actually, it's Ivory-billed Woodpecker. Tastes like chicken. nt
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