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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:46 AM
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Conventional Wisdom: It's time to make the Presidential Conventions relevant again.
Via "Mugsy's Rap Sheet":

Conventional Wisdom:
It's time to make the Presidential Conventions relevant again.


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A “race to be first” is emerging in the Presidential Primary race. In 2004, fourth place John Kerry shocked the longtime front-runner Howard Dean by winning the Iowa Caucus. The upset rolled over into the New Hampshire primary nine days later, handing John Kerry another upset victory. From there, reports of each Kerry victory made his winning the DNC nomination seem more and more inevitable. By the time the Primaries were held months later in states like Oregon (May) and South Dakota (June), there wasn’t any point in even voting because no other Democratic candidate could win enough states to defeat Kerry. The “vote” of people in those later states was essentially stolen from them. Their right to choose their own candidate taken away by states that held their primaries earlier.

It wasn’t always this way. When Senator John F. Kennedy found out he had won the Democratic Party’s nomination AT the 1960 Democratic National Convention, he didn’t even know who his Vice President would be. And except for the educated guesses of polls, no one knew “for sure” Kennedy had even won the Democratic nomination for president UNTIL the votes were counted AT the convention.



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...is it any wonder the networks don’t want to broadcast the conventions, and no one watches when they do?

The solution to all this is simple: DO NOT ALLOW STATES TO REVEAL THE RESULTS OF THEIR PRIMARIES UNTIL THE CONVENTION. just as they did before television started broadcasting the result of primaries from coast-to-coast.

On election night every November of a National election, the media is prohibited from announcing the poll results of each state until ALL the polls have closed in the United States (I’m not sure whether Hawaii is included in that) to prevent the results of earlier East Coast states influencing the voting of states in the West. So does it make any sense to reveal the results of the PRIMARIES before later states have voted?

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Nominating Conventions served an important political function for almost 200 years in this country. It’s time to make them relevant again.


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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:58 AM
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1. I too kind of miss the old days of conventions
Smoke filled rooms, shoving and fistfights on the floor, platform battles, back slapping, deal making, battles over credentials. It was a lot of fun. The good old dys.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:59 AM
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2. If public financing was available.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:19 PM
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3. I agree: the Conventions are for the purpose of nominating...
candidates and agreeing upon the party platform. (When's the last time you saw a party platform?)

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 04:58 PM
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4. The conventions were reduced to their current role for reasons, good reasons.
The problem is (still!) corrupt manipulation of selection of candidates. It has just been forced more into the open, and that is not a bad thing. But there is still work to be done. Party primaries ought to be conducted nationally on a single day, and the result settled by national popular vote, not arcane formulas and bizarre bullshit offensives in the press.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:24 PM
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5. A "one day" Primary would be worse.
Without campaign finance reform, a "single-day" Primary would be a disaster.

Candidates would have no breaks between primaries to raise more money to boost flagging campaigns, so they would have to raise ALL $500 Million (or whatever it is upto now) before "Primary Day", which would have to be held before the Convention in July (IF you need a Convention at all by that point). And the "IT Candidate" of the moment would always win, rather than give candidates time to debate the issues and fine-tune their campaigns.

Add to that, if you made the "Popular Vote" the deciding factor like you suggest, candidates would have absolutely no reason to campaign in the smaller states. Just pour all of what precious little campaign funds you have into the top five states. You don't even have to win them all. Just come in in the top three in each state and you'll secure enough votes to make up for the 25 smaller states you ignored.

No, we stretch Primaries out over a period of months for a reason too. Good reasons.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:04 PM
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6. I am always impressed by clairvoyant people.
Your ability to read the future is stunning. Since we have never done anything of the sort here, I know you do not speak from observation. I suppose you are aware of other countries where they manage to pull elections off in a few weeks with none of the months or years now of bullshit we put up with here?
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