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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:49 PM
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Stephen Schlesinger: Obama and The Myth of Pledged Delegates
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-schlesinger/obama-and-the-myth-of-ple_b_89977.html



There is no rule in the politics of Democratic Party conventions that says that the contender with the largest number of pledged delegates short of the total required for nomination should automatically, by dint of that achievement, be handed the party's designation. This argument is now being put forth by Senator Obama's campaign.

Such a contention is belied by the modern-day history of Democratic conventions. In 1912, the Democratic Speaker of the House of Representatives, Champ Clark, went to the Baltimore convention with the largest number of delegates, around 440, Woodrow Wilson was second with 324, trailed by a few others -- with two thirds of the convention vote required for nomination. Champ Clark was not then allowed to proclaim himself victorious simply because he led the pack. Rather the proceedings went through almost 50 ballots over a week's period that, after much maneuvering, resulted in Wilson accumulating enough delegates to secure the nomination.

In 1932, Franklin Roosevelt arrived at the Democratic Convention this time with the most delegates -- having won them through some primaries and some Democratic state organizations -- but still short of the requisite two-thirds majority. Despite this lead, the party did not hand him the nomination. He had to proceed through four ballots to achieve it.

Finally in the 1952 Democratic race, Senator Estes Kefauver went through the primary process, beat President Truman in New Hampshire, won Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Maryland and entered the Chicago convention with a lead of 257 votes, with four other contenders trailing behind, including Adlai Stevenson. On the first actual ballot, Kefauver held the lead but by now Stevenson had crept up to second place. Then ultimately Stevenson grabbed the designation from Kefauver on the third ballot -- all of this, despite his failure to contest a single primary, with no accumulated Democratic votes compared to those of Kefauver's, and in spite of his late entry into the race. But the party thought he would be the better nominee.

Now today some in the Obama campaign and in the media are dismissing the importance of Hillary Clinton's victories in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island as unimportant. For they argue that, by any careful analysis of the delegate selection process under the present Democratic Party proportional representation system, whatever delegate totals Senator Clinton wins through the end of this year's primary season, will not be able to overcome Senator Obama's current unsurpassable lead over Senator Clinton and therefore Obama will deserve the support of the so-called "super delegates" and should gain the nomination. But that is not how it works as we have seen in past Democratic conventions. A lead in pledged delegates is not enough. You still have to convince your party that you are the best nominee. That is what the next stage of this election is all about.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:51 PM
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1. facts like this will not get on the 6 pm news - or be accepted by DU
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:55 PM
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3. There Are No Guarantees--And Far Too Many Anomalies!
I'm in Michigan, my vote for Uncommitted doesn't mean anything.

Superdelegates vote their conscience--maybe.

Will John Edwards' pledged delegates be assignable?

Will Hillary's campaign of self-destruction terminate before the convention?

It's going to be a long, hard slog--even longer than it has been.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:52 PM
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2. Yes, the democratic party delegates are not
apportioned democratically.

Hence I think Clinton is going to win.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:09 PM
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4. Superdelegates are not going to overturn a 100+ delegate lead
It just isn't going to happen.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:20 PM
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6. I Hope You Are Right, But I Fear That the Fix Is In
Because W has a big shit-eating grin on his face when McCain comes to call for his endorsement.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:14 PM
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5. True...and the myth of the Clinton victory in November?
Does anyone think she can win the nomination with Super Delegates and still get to the White House. Just like Clinton voters according to recent polls, many Obama supporters will stay home. The difference is that Obama gets Independent voter and new voters to fill the ones he looses to pouting Clinton supporters.

So does Obama own the nomination? No. But Clinton simply can't ever own it.
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