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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:41 PM
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Dear Lou Dobbs, Who Owns the Federal Reserve?
Time to wake up the sheeple. Write to Lou Dobbs.....do something, but get informed first.

Updated editorial excerpted with permission from:

http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/jesse-richards-commentary/19-jesses-thoughts/665-dear-lou-dobbs-who-owns-the-federal-reserve

Dear Lou Dobbs, Who Owns the Federal Reserve?

The real answer to this question is that the Federal Reserve is like a big Mafia loan shark. It owns our nation in the same way a loan shark owns his "clients!" There is absolutely no difference between the two.

No matter what the situation, whenever there is news related to the Federal Reserve a big, loud, coordinated, conspiratorial lie of omission is committed by every single news outlet in our nation. What is this lie? It is keeping up the false impression that the Federal Reserve is part of our government! The Fed is a private, for profit bank, that controls our government and economy. They control the money supply, inflation, depression, recessions, etc. They are not accountable to Congress, the executive branch or anyone in government.

The revolutionary war was started primarily to get away from a similar situation in England where the Bank of England held the same control over their nation. Revolutionaries realized this and they put an end to it. Unfortunately some traitors in the Senate reversed our true liberation and now we have a private bank controlling our personal financial status.

Let me ask you a simple question: what country in its right mind would create a system that would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST? What country would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it bankrupt because of interest? The answer is none! America is not charging itself interest on its debt, the privately owned central bankers are doing this and they are hiding in plain sight! Congress (with the exception of Ron Paul), every US president and every single member of the corporate media are either part of the conspiracy or just plain stupid!

Two presidents tried to stop this outrage, and they were both assassinated...

READ THE FULL ARTICLE..
http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/jesse-richards-commentary/19-jesses-thoughts/665-dear-lou-dobbs-who-owns-the-federal-reserve
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:07 PM
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1. DId Kennedy want to disolve the Fed?
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 01:08 PM by Maccagirl
I understand that is a "conspiracy theory" but no one can explain cause and effect to me.
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dantyrant Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:26 PM
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4. EO11110
Wiki:

Executive Order 11110 was issued by President John F. Kennedy on June 4, 1963.

This executive order allowed the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury to issue silver certificates against silver bullion based on authority delegated by the President to the Secretary under the Thomas Amendment to the Agricultural Adjustment Act. This order directly contradicted the role of the Federal Reserve, and many suspect that this may be the primary motive behind the unsolved assassination of President Kennedy.

The Order was for the Treasury to issue silver certificates against all silver held by the government which did not already have certificates against it. The Order was needed due to the passage of Public Law 88-36 which repealed the Silver Purchase Act and other related monetary measures. One result was that after the repeals, only the President could issue new silver certificates. The Federal Reserve System could replace the certificates, but only in larger denominations. The thrust of the Order returned the authority to issue new silver certificates (and specify denominations) back to the U.S. Treasury. This allowed for the Federal Reserve System to distribute and exchange currency at lower denominations that met the growing economic need. The authoritative basis for the Order was nullified in 1982 with the passage of Public Law 97-258.

The Order was never directly reversed. However, Section 1(j) of Executive Order 10289, which was added by Section 1(a) of Executive Order 11110, was revoked when Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12608 in 1987.<1>
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:15 PM
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2. "Let me ask you a simple question:"
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 01:18 PM by Make7
Let me ask you a simple question: what country in its right mind would create a system that would force it to lend itself money and have to repay the money WITH INTEREST? What country would charge itself interest? What nation would put itself out of business by making it bankrupt because of interest? The answer is none! America is not charging itself interest on its debt, the privately owned central bankers are doing this and they are hiding in plain sight! Congress (with the exception of Ron Paul), every US president and every single member of the corporate media are either part of the conspiracy or just plain stupid!

http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/.../665-dear-lou-dobbs-who-owns-the-federal-reserve

Obviously the solution is to have the U.S. Government loan itself money at no interest.

Of course if the government had the money to loan to itself, it probably wouldn't have any need to borrow it in the first place....

- Make7
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:36 PM
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3. I think it was the intent of the original framers of our way of life
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 02:37 PM by truedelphi
To avoid indebtedness.

The constitution gives Congress the right to oversee all banking responsibilities.

It is a bloody shame that instead of handling this responsibility, the Congress created the Fed back in 1913. Ostensibly, its purpose was to see that no more bank panics would occur. Instead, only sixteen years after its creation, The Great Depression came about.

However, the notion that our government should simply print up money to cover our debts is equally ridiculous.

From studying history, an individual learns that the best way for a nation to avoid debt is to not create unnecessary wars.

In other words, the framers of our nation's laws and bylaws sought to discourage all wars, except for those fought for defense.

Clearly our economy is currently suffering from what may go on to be a four trillion dollar war or more. While the jobs that our citizens used to depend on to pay bills have been outsourced.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:44 PM
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6. Hamilton was pro-debt. Jefferson was anti-debt.
It was a hotly debated topic.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:48 PM
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Fair enough. And there are reasons to debate the matter.
However if someone shoves Hamilton out of his grave and takes him for a web tour of all the discussions about today's 500 TRILLION dolalr derivative market, he just might understand the fears that guided Jefferson into opposing indebtedness.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:48 PM
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15. Self Deleted Dupe n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 02:49 PM by truedelphi
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:33 PM
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5. Here's a new website that gets' into this
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 05:33 PM by Phred42
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:06 PM
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7. Its the elites weapon to slowly drive us all into poverty. Without...
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 08:07 PM by superkia
money, they own us! So happy to someone speaking about this issue, most have no idea. Money as debt was a very informative piece for me, I had no idea about how the banking system really worked until last year when I saw that video.

"Money as debt" and "America: Freedom to Fascism", were two very informative pieces for me to watch, I had no idea!

Link to "Money as Debt"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:01 PM
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8. I actually heard some dufus on NPR talk like the Fed is a branch of the government.
It's a private bank. And we have Woodrow Wilson to thank for giving them the authority to control our currency, in the form of debt notes.

When he was a member of Congress, Henry Gonzales was always calling for an audit of the Fed, but it never saw the light of day. Just what are they covering up?

If the truth were known, the Fed has likely funded stuff that would make Hitler cringe.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:43 PM
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10. Jesus...
it is NOT a private bank. This has been debunked over and over.



http://money.howstuffworks.com/fed.htm
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mackdaddy Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:13 PM
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11. "the Fed is independent of the government"
From your Link:

"Although the Fed is independent of the government, it is ultimately accountable to Congress because Congress can amend the Federal Reserve Act at any time. Its actions, however, do not require any kind of approval from the government."

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:13 AM
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12. That's why they call it an...
independent federal agency, duh. How many times do people who know what they're talking about have to tell you it's not privately held before it sinks in?
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:49 AM
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13. Your link doesn't debunk anything.
It only says it's the central bank of the U.S. A private bank can be given that authority.

Refer to the opening post.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:08 PM
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14. For crying out loud....
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 12:10 PM by SDuderstadt
read the ENTIRE link. In case you can't, I'll excerpt the relevant sections. But before I do that, federal law requires that the Federal Reserve return 95% of its earnings (interest and other earnings minus operating expenses) to the US Treasury (in other words, us). Does that sound like a private bank to you??

From the Federal Reserve Act (Part of the United States Code):

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/12/ch3.html

TITLE 12 > CHAPTER 3 > SUBCHAPTER VI § 290. Use of earnings transferred to Treasury

The net earnings derived by the United States from Federal reserve banks shall, in the discretion of the Secretary, be used to supplement the gold reserve held against outstanding United States notes, or shall be applied to the reduction of the outstanding bonded indebtedness of the United States under regulations to be prescribed by the Secretary of the Treasury. Should a Federal reserve bank be dissolved or go into liquidation, any surplus remaining, after the payment of all debts, dividend requirements as hereinbefore provided, and the par value of the stock, shall be paid to and become the property of the United States and shall be similarly applied.



The members of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank (including its chairman) are appointed by the President and require confirmation by the US Senate. Again, does that sound like a PRIVATE bank to you???


From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Banks)

Balance between private banks and responsibility of government

Private banks are regulated by the government. This means that there are some restrictions on what private banks are allowed to do. The Federal Reserve is the specific part of government that regulates the private banks.


Independent within government

The system was set up so that special interests in congress or the presidency would not abuse the power to create money or abuse the government regulations over banks. In order to achieve this, the Federal Reserve System was organized to be separate from the 3 branches of government. This is supposed to make it impartial to special interests so that it could make policies that are good for the people of the United States and so that it is fair to everyone. The members of its Board of Governors are appointed for long, staggered terms, limiting the influence of day-to-day political considerations.<20> The Fed’s unique structure also provides internal checks and balances, ensuring that its decisions and operations are not dominated by any one part of the system. The system is organized much like private corporations so that it can generate revenue independently without the need for congress. Since it was designed to be independent while also remaining within the government of the United States, it is often said to be "independent within the government". The Federal Reserve explains the independence within government in the Federal Reserve System FAQ:<21>

'The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."

The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.'

By law, banks in the United States must maintain fractional reserves either as vault cash or on account at the Fed; member banks earn no interest on either of these. The dividends paid by the Federal Reserve Banks to member banks are considered partial compensation for the lack of interest paid on the required reserves. All profit after expenses is returned to the U.S. Treasury or contributed to the surplus capital of the Federal Reserve Banks (and since shares in ownership of the Federal Reserve Banks are redeemable only at par, the nominal "owners" do not benefit from this surplus capital); the Federal Reserve system contributed over $29 billion to the Treasury in 2006.<22>




Perhaps you've heard of the concept of checks and balances. There are a number of independent federal agencies (22 or more, of which the Federal Reserve is one), which means they are government agencies but not under the direct control of the Executive Branch. See below for further explanation and a list of independent federal agencies.


From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_agencies_of_the_United_States_government)

Independent agencies of the United States government are those that exist outside of the departments of the executive branch. Established through separate statutes passed by the U.S. Congress, each respective statutory grant of authority defines the goals the agency must work towards, as well as what substantive areas, if any, it may have the power of rulemaking over. These agency rules (or regulations), while in force, have the power of federal law.

Examples of independent agencies

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) coordinates the intelligence activities of certain government departments and agencies; collects, correlates, and evaluates intelligence information relating to national security; and makes recommendations to the National Security Council within the Office of the President.

The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) regulates commodity futures and option markets in the United States. The agency protects market participants against manipulation, abusive trade practices and fraud. Through effective oversight and regulation, the CFTC enables the markets to serve better their important functions in the nation's economy providing a mechanism for price discovery and a means of offsetting price risk.

The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) works with state and local governments throughout the United States to control and abate pollution in the air and water and to deal with problems related to solid waste, pesticides, radiation, and toxic substances. EPA sets and enforces standards for air and water quality, evaluates the impact of pesticides and chemical substances, and manages the "Superfund" program for cleaning toxic waste sites.

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is charged with regulating interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite, and cable. It licenses radio and television broadcast stations, assigns radio frequencies, and enforces regulations designed to ensure that cable rates are reasonable. The FCC regulates common carriers, such as telephone and telegraph companies, as well as wireless telecommunications service providers.

The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (Fed board) is the governing body of the Federal Reserve System, the central bank of the United States. It conducts the nation's monetary policy by influencing the volume of credit and money in circulation. The Federal Reserve regulates private banking institutions, works to contain systemic risk in financial markets, and provides certain financial services to the U.S. government, the public, and financial institutions.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) enforces federal antitrust and consumer protection laws by investigating complaints against individual companies initiated by consumers, businesses, congressional inquiries, or reports in the media. The commission seeks to ensure that the nation's markets function competitively by eliminating unfair or deceptive practices.

The General Services Administration (GSA) is responsible for the purchase, supply, operation, and maintenance of federal property, buildings, and equipment, and for the sale of surplus items. GSA also manages the federal motor vehicle fleet and oversees telecommuting centers and child care centers.

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) was established in 1958 to run the U.S. space program. It placed the first American satellites and astronauts in orbit, and it launched the Apollo spacecraft that landed men on the moon in 1969. Today, NASA conducts research aboard earth-orbiting satellites and interplanetary probes, explores new concepts in advanced aerospace technology, and operates the U.S. fleet of manned space shuttle orbiters.

The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) preserves the nation's history by overseeing the management of all federal records. The holdings of the National Archives include original textual materials, motion picture films, sound and video recordings, maps, still pictures, and computer data. The Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights are preserved and displayed at the National Archives building in Washington, D.C.

The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) administers the principal U.S. labor law, the National Labor Relations Act. The board is vested with the power to prevent or remedy unfair labor practices and to safeguard employees' rights to organize and determine through elections whether to have a union as their bargaining representative.

The National Science Foundation (NSF) supports basic research and education in science and engineering in the United States through grants, contracts, and other agreements awarded to universities, colleges, and nonprofit and small business institutions. The NSF encourages cooperation among universities, industry, and government, and it promotes international cooperation through science and engineering.

The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) is the federal government's human resources agency. It ensures that the nation's civil service remains free of political influence and that federal employees are selected and treated fairly and on the basis of merit. OPM supports agencies with personnel services and policy leadership, and it manages the federal retirement system and health insurance program.

The Peace Corps, founded in 1961, trains and places volunteers to serve in foreign countries for two years. Peace Corps volunteers, now working in some 80 nations, assist in agricultural-rural development, small business, health, natural resources conservation, and education.

The Small Business Administration (SBA) was created in 1953 to advise, assist, and protect the interests of small business concerns. The SBA guarantees loans to small businesses, aids victims of floods and other natural disasters, promotes the growth of minority-owned firms, and helps secure contracts for small businesses to supply goods and services to the federal government.

The Selective Service System (SSS) is an independent federal agency operating with permanent authorization under the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.). It is not part of the Department of Defense; however, it exists to serve the emergency manpower needs of the Military by conscripting untrained manpower, or personnel with professional health care skills, if directed by Congress and the President in a national crisis. Its statutory missions also include being ready to administer an alternative service program, in lieu of military service for men classified as conscientious objectors.

The Social Security Administration (SSA) manages the nation's social insurance program, consisting of retirement, disability, and survivors benefits. To qualify for these benefits, most American workers pay Social Security taxes on their earnings; future benefits are based on the employees' contributions.

The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) was established to protect investors who buy stocks and bonds. Federal laws require companies that plan to raise money by selling their own securities to file reports about their operations with the SEC, so that investors have access to all material information. The commission has powers to prevent or punish fraud in the sale of securities and is authorized to regulate stock exchanges.

The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) administers U.S. foreign economic and humanitarian assistance programs in the developing world, as well as in Central and Eastern Europe and the New Independent States of the former Soviet Union. The agency supports programs in four areas — population and health, broad-based economic growth, environment, and democracy.

The United States International Trade Commission (USITC) provides trade expertise to both the legislative and executive branches of government, determines the impact of imports on U.S. industries, and directs actions against certain unfair trade practices, such as patent, trademark, and copyright infringement.

The United States Postal Service is operated by an autonomous public corporation that replaced the Post Office Department in 1971. The Postal Service is responsible for the collection, transportation, and delivery of the mails, and for the operation of thousands of local post offices across the country. It also provides international mail service through the Universal Postal Union and other agreements with foreign countries.

An independent Postal Rate Commission, also created in 1971, helps the Postal Service set the rates for different classes of mail by holding hearings on rates proposed by the Postal Service, and recommending rates to the Postal Service Board of Governors, which in turn may accept or reject the rates. As of February 2006, legislation had passed both houses of Congress greatly increasing the regulatory powers of the Postal Rate Commission.

The Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board is one of the smaller Executive Branch agencies, with just over 100 employees. It was established to administer the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), which provides Federal employees the opportunity to save for additional retirement security. The Thrift Savings Plan is a tax-deferred defined contribution plan similar to a private sector 401(k) plan.




Question: Do you really want to to continue to argue this????

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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 09:03 PM
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9. Try this link for the biggest shell game ever created.
http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/0912986328

As far as Lou Dobbs helping I wouldn't count on it. He's employed by Time Warner. One look at their BOD's at Wikipedia will tell you that they are benefitting from the shell game. Personally I don't trust Dobbs after his crap cheerleading for the Iraq War.
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:32 PM
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16. Private or public either way doesn't it put to lie the republican line about "free markets"?
If the "free markets" worked in the fairy tale way they say, why would the government need a Fed?

And why the hell would anyone listen to anything Lou Dobbs says about any subject? He is a xenophobic, hypocritical egotist.

And those are his more positive qualities.

I would never write to Lou Dobbs. That would only give him credibility. I might write to his superiors and ask why they have not removed a person with the above mentioned qualities from their programming.
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