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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:01 AM
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Round One Finds in the Pentagon FOI Document Dump
So I've been going through the Pentagon Document dump. I have to give it to the Defense Department, they know how to bury stuff. Of course none of this is indexable, being jpgs contained in PDF. Luckily there are orc sorters and what I have found is that a certain obscure PDF has a lot of chunky goodness in it.

Well, not goodness, maybe that last chunk of evil from Time Bandits.

Anywho, I found some interesting items I would like to share.

First off, the money shot. I know you are asking, did you find names? Do you know who the list of pundists were on the Pentagon? Yes, and I can do you one better.

I found the roster buried in a 500 page PDF.

Here are your Pentagon All-Stars:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/8/123753/5452

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:11 AM
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1. THANKS


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:45 AM
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5. And thank YOU tooooo!!!!!!!!
:hi:
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:02 PM
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6. You left off the end of the list.
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One very important name there -- Paul Vallery, the MindWar guy. He and Thomas McInerney are particular interests of mine for their involvement in the MEK-supporting Iran Policy Committee.

And Wayne Downing of the Downing Plan -- see http://www.atlargely.com/2007/04/the_mysteries_o.html

And Andy Messing, who led or was involved with any number of conservative organizations in the 70's and 80's -- http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.mc.htm#messing

Oh -- and Carlton Sherwood. Now isn't that special. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Carlton_Sherwood

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:49 PM
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10. there are names missing!
Barry McCaffrey!

Frank Gaffney!

Who can find more? And why are these missing?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:52 PM
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11. you're right here's the page that didn't link correctly
Why aren't their names here? Maybe they were on the list before there was a list?


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:13 AM
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2. ! This is the crowd:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:14 AM
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3. They can dump all they like..(we have time and motive to dig). . .n/t
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But.... Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 11:25 AM
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4. Keep up the good work!
:applause:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:53 PM
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7. Thank you.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:07 PM
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8. How illegal were the "Pentagon Pundits" actions?
What is the law?

Can the pundits, media, and Pentagon officials be prosecuted?

Burns me paying retirement and benefits to these greedy traitors.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:40 PM
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9. My suspicions.
There are really 3 possibilities; there's nothing preventing all three from being what happened, given the number of people involved.

1. If the retirees/ex-military guys were paid to push the DOD's line, yes, it's a violation of some law.

2. If they were given to understand that further contracts or benefits were contingent upon listening to the DOD's spiels and repeating them or defending them in the media, that's almost certainly illegal. It's pay, in a fashion, and imposes non-contractual and impermissible requirements on what should be a fair and transparent process.

3. If they were just asked to push the DOD's line, or requested the information in order to help their media careers, I doubt it very much. They were just given information that journalists would have asked for, with the proviso that they repeated it with the authority of their rank behind it or used it to inform their own opinions. Now, if the media did ask for the information and were turned down, there may be some reason to cry foul.

Note that there are CIA retirees and ex-employees that routinely use their ties to the Agency to obtain information and provide grist for their punditry mill. There are also reporters and ex-employees that Agency folk use as a channel to get their message out. In neither case does the Agency pay, nor does it earn anything except getting its POV "out there"; the reporters and pundits, obviously, make something off the information since they get paid to publish stories and appear on tv. Sometimes this is to push a given policy or course of action, or defuse efforts to implement a policy or course of action. A lot of DUers think that this method of doing things is perfectly fine, in the absence of a transparent and fully non-classified CIA. But it's precisely the same way of operating as given in (3), with the additional quirk that some of the CIA's information so obtained is still classified. If it's fine for the CIA and not illegal, then it's fine for the DOD (even if I disgree with the goal) and not illegal.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:40 PM
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12. One of the pundits admitted that this was 'a coherent, active policy' of covert prop, thus illegal.
Edited on Sat May-10-08 07:01 PM by FreepFryer
While I have little doubt that all three of your suspicions (1. 2. and 3.) are correct, this program is absolutely, blatantly illegal without consideration for whether the analysts profited.

This was a covert effort by the government to mold public opinion using third parties.

The relationship between the Pentagon and the third-party analysts, and the source of the information they disclosed/parroted was not disclosed in the media, as the US Code requires.

Kenneth Allard, a former NBC military analyst who has taught information warfare at the National Defense University, said the campaign amounted to a sophisticated information operation. “This was a coherent, active policy,” he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html


The terms “publicity,” “propaganda,” and “publicity expert” have been interpreted to forbid a very limited number of activities. Congress has not defined the terms “publicity,” “propaganda,” and “publicity expert.” Thus, to GAO has gone the task of delineating what these terms encompass. GAO has done this on a caseby-case basis over the past half-century. Generally speaking, GAO has narrowly defined these terms. It has held that the “publicity or propaganda” prohibition in appropriations laws forbids any public relations activity that: {...} is “covert propaganda” (i.e., the communication does not reveal that
government appropriations were expended to produce it).


"Public Relations and Propaganda: Restrictions on Executive Agency Activities." Congressional Research Service.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32750.pdf


The failure of an agency to identify itself as the source of a prepackaged news story misleads the viewing public by encouraging the viewing audience to believe that the broadcasting news organization developed the information. The prepackaged news stories are purposefully designed to be indistinguishable from news segments broadcast to the public. When the television viewing public does not know that the stories they watched on television news programs about the government were in fact prepared by the government, the stories are, in this sense, no longer purely factual -- the essential fact of attribution is missing.
"B-304228, Department of Education--No Child Left Behind Act Video News Release and Media Analysis, September 30, 2005."
http://www.gao.gov/decisions/appro/304228.htm


And the White House's Office of Legal Counsel determined in 1988 that:
A statutory prohibition on using appropriated funds for "publicity or propaganda" precluded undisclosed agency funding of advocacy by third-party groups. We stated that "covert attempts to mold opinion through the undisclosed use of third parties" would run afoul of restrictions on using appropriated funds for "propaganda."
White House Memorandum: Use of Government Funds for Video News Releases (re: Armstrong Williams)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/memoranda/fy2005/m05-10.pdf


Information cannot legally be disseminated by the government through third parties in order to influence public opinion while denying or concealing the fact that the source of the information is the government itself. That's covert propaganda, and that's illegal.

More info on the exceptional SourceWatch site:
http://www.prwatch.org/node/7261
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:28 PM
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13. And then there's Greenwald's Salon piece excepting a January 14, 2005 memo...
Edited on Sat May-10-08 07:29 PM by FreepFryer
"So the Pentagon would maintain a team of 'military analysts' who reliably 'carry their water' -- yet who were presented as independent analysts by the television and cable networks. By feeding only those pro-Government sources key information and giving them access -- even before responding to the press -- only those handpicked analysts would be valuable to the networks, and that, in turn, would ensure that only pro-Government sources were heard from.

"Meanwhile, the 'less reliably friendly' ones -- frozen out by the Pentagon -- would be 'weeded out' by the networks. The pro-Government military analysts would do what they were told because the Pentagon was 'their bread and butter.' These Pentagon-controlled analysts were used by the networks not only to comment on military matters -- and to do so almost always unchallenged -- but also even to shape and mold the networks' coverage choices.

"Even a casual review of the DoD's documents leaves no doubt that this is exactly how the program worked. The military analysts most commonly used by MSNBC, CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS and NBC routinely received instructions about what to say in their appearances from the Pentagon."


"How the military analyst program controlled news coverage: in the Pentagon's own words"
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/10/analysts/index.html

original source:
http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/23%20Apr%2008/Barstow%20Release%2023%20Apr%2008/7798%20-%207922.pdf


Illegal, covert domestic propaganda, committed against the American people, by an Executive branch convinced that it is above the law. They are not.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:49 PM
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14. Hell of a job, Joanne! We're proud!
Edited on Sat May-10-08 07:52 PM by FreepFryer
You may want to provide this exceptionally useful newly-sifted info to SourceWatch firsthand...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pentagon_military_analyst_program

or to prwatch, which is coordinating efforts to compile this useful information from the dump:
http://www.prwatch.org/node/7261

Again, wonderful exceptional job - thanks for bringing our attention to this.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:28 PM
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15. WOW - Analyst Jed Babbin (Fmr UndSecDef under Bush 41)ASKED for what to say for his TV appearances.
Edited on Sat May-10-08 08:34 PM by FreepFryer
On page NYTIMES 7890 of the Barstow Release 23 Apr 2008 pdf
http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/23%20Apr%2008/Barstow%20Release%2023%20Apr%2008/7798%20-%207922.pdf

From; Lawrence, Dal/as, OASO-PA
S.nt: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:09PM I
To: Ruff. Eric, SES, OASD·PA
Subject: another request from military analyst I

Jed Babbin, on Scarborough tonight and Fox &. Friends tomorrow morning Topic: Defending SecDef/lntel Bill/Iraq Elections

Needed Info: "How will intel bill improve quality of intelligence gathering? Why is today's NYT definitely wrong with the attack against SecDef for his positions. Are there any UN election workers in Iraq today."


Just 7 days later, an editorial was published in the American Spectator defending Donald Rumsfeld by Babbin, called 'Let the Big Dog Run'.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7556

Now I'm tracking down the specifics of just what Former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense (under Bush 41) Jed Babbin said on FISA and Iraq.


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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:19 PM
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16. 2 years later, Babbin would have wind up screaming at Glenn Greenwald on Alan Colmes' show.
Edited on Sat May-10-08 09:39 PM by FreepFryer
He wrote a FISA editorial called 'All the Presidents Spies' defending the NSA wiretapping scandal in December 2005:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9169

And he wrote this FISA editorial in Feb 2006:
We know now that since April, American intelligence gatherers have missed some or all of the e-mails and telephone calls going overseas to suspect terrorists or coming into the US from them because of a classified decision of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court. ed. note: this is a flat out lie, the administration admitted as much

Congress is scheduled to go out on its August recess tonight, and unless Democrats Russell Feingold (D-WI), Carl Levin (D-MI) and Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) suffer a moment of lucidity, the boys and girls will go off on their holiday without fixing FISA."

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7556


What a tool. A lying tool. And in August 2006 he had a screaming fit while 'debating' Glenn Greenwald on Alan Colmes' show.

"Babbin gets really nasty and says on the air that Glenn has "no god damn idea what he’s talking about". Babbin tries to say that FISA "does not cover foreign intelligence gathering", which is funny since it is called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Of course Babbin tries a typical neo-con tactic of yelling and screaming over someone when they are talking, but it fails.

Babbin tries to use the argument that he is a lawyer, but I have heard children give better arguments defending the actions of someone."

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/08/30/glenn-greenwald-discusses-fisa-on-the-alan-colmes-show/
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