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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:11 PM
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McGovern: Obama Is a Second ‘Lincoln’
South Dakota native George McGovern joined Barack Obama on his first day of campaigning in the state.

The former senator and 1972 Democratic presidential candidate had previously endorsed Hillary Clinton, but switched to Obama after she lost North Carolina and narrowly won Indiana last week. The flip-flop came as a particular blow to Clinton, who worked as a young political organizer in South Texas for McGovern in 1972.

“She and her remarkable husband, Bill Clinton, worked their hearts out for me way back when in that 1972 presidential campaign,” said McGovern, who lost in a blowout to incumbent Richard Nixon. “The Clintons have been my treasured friends all these years and that will continue after we’re all joined behind Barack Obama.”

McGovern told the crowd of 7,000 that he supports Obama in part because he believes he has an insurmountable delegate lead and the Democratic Party needs to come together and support him. He then confessed to another reason: All four of his children and many of his 10 grandchildren are Obama supporters. “That speaks to the measure of the influence I’ve had at all,” he joked with the crowd.

McGovern heaped praise on Obama, comparing him with Abraham Lincoln. “Illinois gave us Abraham Lincoln. That state may have now given us a second Abraham Lincoln,” he said.


Obama began his speech by thanking McGovern, saying he “exemplifies public service” and that he “is just a class act.”

But the McGovern appearance Friday struck a chord among Republicans who see Obama as the ultimate example of an antiwar liberal getting blown away in a general election by a strong national-security candidate like John McCain.

Nixon defeated McGovern 60% to 38% with electoral collage totals of 520 to 17, the second biggest landslide in U.S. history. McGovern’s two electoral vote victories came in Massachusetts and Washington, D.C. He didn’t win his home state.

link: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/16/mcgovern-obama-is-a-second-lincoln/?mod=WSJBlog
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:47 PM
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1. It wasn't the war. It was because he wanted to put a $50,000 cap on income.
(Big in those days.) That's a boo-boo in this Lottery-crazy land, where everybody dreams of being a millionaire. Or did until recently.

Also, Nixon LIED that he had a "secret plan" to end the war. And he was deeply, filthily engaged in dirty tricks and spying on the Democrats. (Hm, we've got that again, don't we?)

Nobody, NOBODY has looted us as the Bush Cartel has done. Nobody, NOBODY has engaged in so many high crimes and misdemeanors. This is a different era. We were still riding the '60s prosperity when McGovern ran. These days, a cap on wealth--or at least on CEOs' obscene salaries (reward for laying off tens of thousands of workers) would probably be a hit. If anything, Obama isn't nearly radical enough. We need an FDR--a "New Deal." People would shout for joy. People ARE shouting for joy, even with Obama's vague promises.

Diebold aside, I think Obama will win in a landslide. They may shave his mandate, and try to hamper him, but if they steal it, they risk losing their "trade secret" code power over election results. People are HUNGRY FOR CHANGE, and FOR RELIEF FROM THESE BUSHITE BASTARDS. It is not 1972. Too much Reagan-Bush blood under the bridge. Besides, McGovern had the unfortunate personality of a Presbyterian minister, as it projected on TV. He wasn't really, but he just has no talent for projecting who he really was. Obama on the other hand has the voice, the projective skills, the charm, of JFK. Whole different ballgame.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:53 PM
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2. I like what you're saying.
We do need a New New Deal. And although Obama isn't radical enough, I think he does hold one very important quality, he listens. And, it is not about the candidate. Obama is great, but he will be pushed, and is able to be pushed by a motivated electorate and a New Majority in the House and Senate.

With gains and capitalization on the Populist Will in 2008, 2010 can bring a wave of Progressives into the Democratic Party, the House and Senate.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:09 PM
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3. Johnson had to be pushed on civil rights too
I agree with you that Obama listens and if he sees the opportunity he'll step up to the plate.

I have hope it we will make great strides again for the progressive movement with a President Obama. Yes we can!

Sonia
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:18 AM
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6. Important to remember that in 1972--
--American median income had yet to peak. The high water year in constant dollars was 1973. Also prolly would have helped if some of the Dem higher ups hadn't worked so hard for Nixon.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:33 PM
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4. I can see the resemblance and the cause, but from what I know, Obama has a better voice...
:-)
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:07 AM
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17. Lincoln wrote his own speeches.
They say he was the last one. It might be that he was the last one to fight for the Constitution too.

Presidents have abused their power until we now have a "unity executive" who rules like a king using war and civil strife as an excuse.

"I therefore consider that in view of the Constitution and the laws, the Union is unbroken; and to the extent of my ability I shall take care, as the Constitution itself expressly enjoins upon me, that the laws of the Union be faithfully executed in all the States."
-- March 4, 1861 - Lincoln's First Inaugural Address
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 11:35 AM
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18. Thank you. That was a great quote and he was a great man.
We would do well just to elect anybody who can put together a coherent sentence, but someone who fights for the Constitution would be an added bonus... *sigh* :-(
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:36 PM
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19. Unitary Executive is what I mean to type.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:59 PM
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5. maybe.....we will have to wait and see if he is
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:04 PM
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13. Isn't that a bit risky to wait and see?
The American people had mandate since 2006. Let's see if he remembers it?
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:31 AM
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7. But I thought he was....the second JFK.
No, the second Coming.

No... wait... now it's Lincoln?

Bwahahaaaaa......

Whatever.

:shrug:
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:04 PM
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14. Get the crown ready.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:24 AM
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8. Lousy comparison. My uncle's second Lincoln caught fire.
I suggested he might be better off with a Beemer, but he insisted on buying American cars. His third and last was a Caddy Eldorado.

Come on, you must have seen this post coming!
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:01 PM
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15. lol . . . thanks for bringing some much needed perspective to this thread. . .
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:45 AM
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9. I think that's reaching
I like Obama, I'm supporting him and I think he'll make a good president, maybe a great one but comparisons to the best president ever (or second best, after Washington) are way too early. At this point, that kind of comparison is something Obama, in the modern age of politics, can't hope to live up to.
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:12 AM
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10. Yes it is, people forget that Lincoln, immediately after freeing the slaves...
...began a campaign of genocide against the plains Indians
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:16 AM
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11. You're right, I did, sorry n/t
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:01 PM
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12. Does Obama want to get religion and the Federal Reserve
Edited on Sat May-17-08 12:03 PM by mac2
out of our government like Lincoln? Didn't think so.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:45 PM
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16. I don't see it.
Read: Lincoln by Gore Vidal.

It's a great book and is interesting to read. Guess McGovern never read about Lincoln only that he was from Illinois, a lawyer, and became President.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 01:06 PM
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20. I've read that and much else on Lincoln, and I DO see it.
Agreed about the book about the Tycoon.

McGovern is actually a Lincoln buff, and very well educated about all aspects of Lincoln's life. For a boy from South Dakota of his age, he is of course a Lincoln guy.

So am I. I think the parallels are remarkable, not least of which is Obama's recognition that speeches aren't "just words." I am sure you agree with that, as Lincoln was the greatest enunciator of "just words" in American history.

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