Barack Obama juggernaut 'will crush John McCain'

Source: Telegraph UK

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“I don’t think John McCain realises what he’s in for,” said one adviser. “We’ve created a juggernaut,” said another, “and it’s going to overwhelm him.”


They cite their internet fundraising operation, the grassroots organising network that secured victory over Mrs Clinton by winning a series of caucus states and hundreds of thousands of idealistic young volunteers as crucial advantages over Mr McCain.


At Mr Obama’s campaign headquarters in Chicago, the focus is firmly on the general election. Even on primary day on Tuesday with contests against Mrs Clinton in Kentucky and Oregon a large sign in the open plan office announced: “Countdown to Nov 4th -167 days”.


Joe Trippi, a Democratic consultant who pioneered some of the successful grassroots and internet techniques when he ran Howard Dean’s campaign in 2004, said that John McCain is already in “deep, deep trouble” because of a poor organisation and an anaemic fundraising total of about a fifth of the $500 million raised by Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton.


“Obama’s got the strongest organisation in history because of what he’s done with the internet and plugging volunteers into the paid organisers operation. McCain’s team is in a shambles. He has no organisation and no grassroots fundraising operation.”





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powers that be in the Neo-con upper echelon as the sacrificial lamb. They knew they were gonna lose this election and McSame was expendable.

He's the Bic lighter of nominees - useful for a while, but completely disposable.

They needed a diverse array of candidates to see what would fly, and what just didn't work.

But McCain was always the choice. He was the only candidate that went to Davos last year. He's the only one with certain shields. Unlike current president Bush, he has a war record that is wide open and nobody will touch it. He has more "experience" than the candidates from the Democratic party.

My only concern is who is VP is, since they are the one that the party expects to hold the office. McCain is a reputation. Much like what Colin Powell would have brought before he destroyed his career.

...was the big boys' choice to attend Davos, then putting him up against Obama makes all the sense in the world.

What do you want to bet that he and Jay Rockefeller are thick as thieves?

I will say this though.

We'll see how bad the GOP wants this election shortly. When the Democratic candidate is finally named, we'll see what kind of investment is made.

The Republicans will of course put up a fight, but if an obscene amount of money starts coming in, if the attacks are truly vile, it could mean they intend to win.

If they go through the motions and are just generally divisive, it's another story. That would mean to me that they are preparing a candidate for 2012 and we'll find out who the golden boy is after they've blamed the Democrats for Bush's mistakes that come to pass over the next 4 years.

administration.

First of all, McCain went up and down and back up to win the nomination. He was not the first choice of a lot of Republicans.

Second, the neoconservatives aren't going to be able to do any more this year than the corpse at a funeral, something they have figurately come to resemble. It is their policies and their imperialist ideas that are being rejected. The neoconservatives -- elitist, arrogant and corrupt -- represent the worst of politics as usual, while Obama represents the bright hope of democratic (note the small d) success.

Let's not get complacent. Obama will win, the question is be how much. A landslide victory is that for which we must strive. A landslide victory would bury neoconservatism with a stake through its heart.

...can't carry Ohio and Pennsylvania, he won't win!

And there's a lot of data to suggest he can't do that.

Look at the way he got shellacked in Kentucky and West Virginia.

. . . every one who voted for Mrs. Clinton in the primaries will vote for McCain in the general.

I don't think so.

Now, let's help Obama turn this into a route.

jumped the republican shark and come over to the the light. He started kissing up to bush (around the time of the bush/mccain hug picture). After there was serious talk of putting him on the ticket with Kerry. Before 2004 McCain despised bush. Remember in 99 or 2000 when bush was so mean to McCain it made him cry?

This was a deal made in 04. Otherwise how the hell did McCain win so easily (republicans didn't like him) and notice how quickly all of the republican contenders left the race even though McCain had no money early on. He's reaping the reward of being a good boy for bush.

edit: left out a word.

... at-the-ready, volunteers who are willing to telegraph-bank for him, and a flock of carrier pigeons to get the word out.

I don't know if Obama's team can beat that.

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I wonder whose Mom's basement will be picked as McCain National Headquarters.

Throughout 2004 we were persistently told how energized and motivated the Kerry supporters were--and they were--but none of us realized that the Bush people were every bit as motivated as our side, and in fact ran a more organized operation than Kerry, the DNC and ACT.

also what else would you expect obamas campaign advisers to say.
but them saying it don't make it a fact. the way the population is divided, and especially the democratic base, i think it's a bit early to be making hotel reservations for the inaugural ball.

And it won't be that McCainiac voters are necessarily excited about the guy, it's just that in the red states, they'll be petrified of Obama.

Mark my words, it will all come down to a handful of swing states, like it usually does.

Kerry actually won. Blackwell's thugs changed the results.

Are we going to let them rig the vote again?

in Ohio and a Dem is now Secretary of State.

in Iowa Clinton became unglued and never got it together after that..she just was flapping her wings and never seemed to get it together again...Obama, on the other hand, has been unflapable..he apologizes easily when someone is offended, and aggressively defends his policy positions...and narry a flap to be seen!

...exact same line Joe Trippi used when he ran Dean's campaign. Susan Estrich said the same thing when she ran Dukakis' campaign. Bob Shrum said the same thing of Kerry in 1994.

That's all horseshit. All of those guys are a picture on somebody's wall now.

You can't ride the support of schoolteachers, social workers, government employees and unions to the Presidency! It won't work. It never works. Even Kennedy needed more than that in 1960. He only carried Texas because he agreed to take Johnson as a running mate. That's a fact! Look it up.

Not only will Obama not carry Texas or anything in the south, he also won't carry Kentucky or West Virginia. Remember him losing the New Hampshire primary? That's gonna happen again in the general.

As for Ohio and Pennsylvania, how can anyone expect a guy who couldn't win two states in his party's primary to carry those same states in the general election? That's irrational!

Bill Clinton was able to carry significant portions of the south in 1992 and 1996. That's why he didn't need Florida and he didn't carry it in 1992. It didn't matter.

Obama will never do this and therefore will never be President.

...same states in the general election?"

New York?
California?
Massachusetts?

Do I get a prize for naming three?

...going to carry Ohio and Pennsylvania this Fall.

I'm telling ya, it won't happen. Both states are about as progressive as William F. Buckley...and he's dead!

Susan Estrich wrote a column about two weeks ago where she said Obama is starting to look a lot like Dukakis and proceed to tell why it didn't have to happen that way if he talked more about healthcare. All fine and good but Bill Clinton did the same thing and ultimately what gave him the win was his strength in the South. Obama doesn't have that and will never have that. He's too far left.

Just like I said. The race is already over.

If he loses Pennsylvania, I'll make my sig line "N4457S was right, and McCain is partially my fault."
If he carries Pennsylvania, you have to have an Obama avatar for a week.

And depending on where you live and if you want it, I might even come by and buy you a steak dinner.

Do you live in Ohio or Pennsylvania?

There's reasons I said Pennsylvania and not my home state.

Will you understand if I don't give you me best of luck wishes?

...to be nasty. I just tell people what I see.

My wife and I took our cheap degrees from good old Akron U (a decent university with a mediocre reputation) and went west in 1995. We've been to Dallas and now two places in California, in the Bay Area hopefully to stay.

I despise what's happened in NE Ohio. I have three friends up there who are or have been in recent bankruptcy, with I suspect one more to come within the next several years. His construction company depended on the housing industry and he's in bad enough shape financially that he had to take an outside job for the first time in twenty years.

I'd love to come home but I can't. We've gotten used to the California lifestyle and the free wheeling mentality and fast pace. People in Wadsworth would hate our guts if they had to live next to us.

Don't be a stranger. I'm a people collector. I always have been.

I only speak one language and sometimes I can't use even it too well.

I was born and raised in Perry County. Right now, I'm living in Lancaster, and looking to move to Tampa, Fl.

The economy in Perry has gone from terrible to non-existent. The local GOP has control of every branch of government in every township and town, and they decided long ago that adding any infrastructure or enticing jobs to the area was not worth the time. Things are so bad that a township trustee, a judge, the sheriff, and the county engineer own a bar with slot machines and other illegal gambling toys. When the Cleveland Plain Dealer uncovered it all, the sheriff investigated the county engineer and, surprisingly enough, found absolutely nothing, so the judge had the case thrown out.

Maybe we could bring Ohio to you...? Would you be up for an weather exchange? We've had all the best Ohio weather in the past week. Rain/cold/wind/warm/snow in May!? I've been missing out on my golf!

(Sorry about my identification hesitation, I've got a real problem of over thinking and of not being generous enough with that. )

...judge and the sheriff and the county engineer own a bar with slot machines?

Sounds like a scene from Walking Tall.

If a great big guy who just got out of the Marines starts walking around with a club, look out.

NO! It's not...Bo Svenson! Yeeeww, those bandages!

(recoils in horror)

Or even worse, someone starts a wrestling group.

...Vince McMahon, call your office.

Ross Perot, and that includes his "wins" in the South.

The GOP has been seen for what it is and will be shown the door in Nov.

...in 1968? Everyone hated Nixon. Even David Gergen and Alan Greenspan have had awful things to say about him. He was evil in 1960, with that sourpuss demeanor and dark suit and law degree from Duke.

Just like 1972? People thought McGovern was the second coming of Christ. Now he's just a guest on talk radio.

Just like in 2000? Dubya was a moron at Harvard and Yale. He was a lousy pilot, too. He was a moron in 2000 and 2004, but his opponents didn't have Electoral power in southern states. That was his secret in both elections and it was also the Clintons' secret in the nineties.

There's no getting around this. There's no escape. You win in the south or you're dead.

And Obama won't win down there. So, he's dead.

Kinda like Hillary's IWR vote did her.

The West will make the South irrelevant.

...I've been hearing that for thirty years. It never happens.

"No Senator has been elected Pres. since JFK".... some things are inevitable.

...and I've thought about that too.

Even so, no Senator has been elected since JFK and no non-southerner or non-sunbelter has been elected since JFK. The reason is because of demographic patterns going back to the 1950s, which is when all that deindustrialization initially began.

I have to tell you there's no way Obama will win Arizona. New Mexico will be tight but Arizona? No way.

I also have my reservations about Colorado. Some people say maybe...but I don't think so.

Obama is an urbanite. So, he wins Oregon, Washington and California (which Dukakis did not carry), a few states in the upper midwest, Illinois (because of Chicago), most of the industrial northeast and Maryland...

...and then gets plowed down south and out west. Just like Dukakis.

But I thought the south didn't matter. Right?

Right?

perhaps especially, who don't usually bother to vote (since they usually see no hope of change)?

2000 - jeb b*sh
2004 - blackwell

Will the neo-cons go to the mat for mclame? which state is the 'swing state' in '08? Has mclame kissed sufficient ass to get the publicans to disenfranchise millions of votes?

"You can't ride the support of schoolteachers, social workers, government employees and unions to the Presidency!"

I'm none of these, and neither is my husband, our voting-age kids, his sister, my stockbroker and his wife, etc, etc, etc.

We are all in business with white-collar jobs, except for the two wives who are, for the most part, housewives.

I think your premise is a false one.

...but it wasn't false for Lee Atwater in 1988. He had Susan Estrich nailed. Duke was a weak personality. They combed his background, found the Willie Horton thing and BOOM!, that's it.

Then, Bernie Shaw asked that question about the death penalty. Duke gave the typical wooden, technical response that he was famous for. Game, Set, Match.

Just where in the hell did Susan Estrich get the idea to take a guy with Duke's heritage and political beliefs and put him in a tank?

Atwater would never make a mistake like that. Neither would Karl Rove. Neither would Rollins, who used to be a Democrat!

Frankly, neither would Carville or Begala. Their street smarts are the best around.

But other Democrats do stuff like this all the time. Estrich did it. Trippi did it. Shrum did it. Maybe Axelrod knows better.

We'll find out.

he will never be president. i certainly think he has a real chance to win in november. however i think that a large portion of that chance hangs on how well the democrats heal their current rift.
i had a sinking feeling when the only 2 candidates left were obama and clinton because i knew we were in for a bloodbath of a primary.
as of right now i don't think she can get the nomination, but her supporters can still sink obama.
i agree with you that he won't carry anything in the south, and i think he'll have trouble in the western states as well. the fact that he did well in western state caucuses won't mean dick in november.

if obama puts clinton on the ticket in an effort to unify the party, imo a large portion of his supporters will not turn out for him. so while i think he can still win, i think it's going to be a lot harder than most people here want to admit.

how can anyone expect a guy who couldn't win two states in his party's primary to carry those same states in the general election? That's irrational!

Actually, it would be irrational to believe victory in a state's primary has anything to do with victory in that state in the general election.

...Juan Williams said Obama's getting plastered in West Virginia, Kentucky and then receiving his party's nomination was a real problem?

That guy is playing for the other team, fella

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and that was before all the top flight "talent" got purged out because the were lobbyists.

Just 1 "Town Hall" debate and it's over.

There has been the idea of having both Obama & Mc Geriatric host some unscripted "Town Hall" debates across the country. Yeah right.

They better not be televised, and they better have Planted audiences, because Mc Old won't survive evern 5 minutes of this. Of course, the GOP realizes this. I'll bet my next pay check it'll never happen.

McCain might not be great off the cuff, but Obama has not proved he is very good when there is no teleprompter (Last debate with Hillary, the Arabic translators in Afghanistan). Between the two, I'd say the advantage would be to McCain.

I don't think Town Hall debates are good for Obama anyway, since he has a significant money advantage over McCain and there is no reason to give McCain free advertising when you can make him pay for it out of his meager funds.

It would be difficult for a popular insurgent candidate to overcome. But if the insurgent is the one with the war chest, then watch out!

She has won 5 out of the last 7 primaries.

Senator Clinton? Nothing like overconfidence!

The trick is not simply to offer an air of inevitability, but also work the structure so that it is in substance as well. I think that considering what the Obama camp did to the Clinton machine, I'm sure that they are well aware that just talking about it is only called "bluff".

Run one of two tickets... Either Obama/Edwards which would get the southern and poor white vote as well as the black vote and educated vote. OR run Obama/Richardson to get the Latino vote, the black vote, and the educated vote.

Edwards has name recognition in the southeast whereas Richardson does not making him the stronger of the two.

That's my strongest pair against McShame.

NTF

We can only hope...and work...and give money

Oh yeahhh

A Joe LIEberman wet dream, not so easy, heh.

I mean, Democrats will control & House & Senate regardless, so no McBush appointment to the Supreme Court will get confirmed, and righties love their far right Supreme Court justices.....

McBush really is a lousy candiate, if there's any justice in the world, Obama should beat him in a landslide!...

and realize McElder is not the right man for the moment...Obama is...

The LandSlide will bury the GOP 567 miles down a deep hole.

Bush had united a Force to make sure we never get another Bush FOREVER

True, they have nominated a person in Sen. McCain that even most conservatives don't really like, and some (no idea how many) will stay home in November. If it's a lot, Sen. Obama will win the election. However, a lot of people (meaning both Sen. Clinton supporters and moderate to conservative Republicans) don't like Obama either, and if a number of Clinton's supporters defect to McCain, and the conservatives are willing to "hold their noses" and vote for their party's nominee, Obama could be in a lot of trouble.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/democrats/2002809/US-elections-Barack-Obam

US elections: Barack Obama juggernaut 'will crush John McCain'
By Toby Harnden in Des Moines, Iowa
Last Updated: 8:49PM BST 21/05/2008
With the Illinois senator declaring himself “within reach” of the Democratic nomination after achieving a majority of the pledged delegates - those allocated by vote - on Tuesday, his campaign has already pivoted to preparing for the general election against Mr McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.

Although publicly heaping praise on Hillary Clinton, Mr Obama’s Democratic rival, and carefully avoiding putting pressure on her to drop out before the final states vote on June 3rd, the Illinois senator’s staff is impatient to launch a full-scale offensive against Mr McCain.

But they believe that the ferocious fight Mrs Clinton has put up has helped them build an organisation of unprecedented strength. “I don’t think John McCain realises what he’s in for,” said one adviser. “We’ve created a juggernaut,” said another, “and it’s going to overwhelm him.”

They cite their internet fundraising operation, the grassroots organising network that secured victory over Mrs Clinton by winning a series of caucus states and hundreds of thousands of idealistic young volunteers as crucial advantages over Mr McCain. Democrats have attracted colossal numbers of new voters - in just seven primary states in March and April, some one million new party members were registered.


Read more: The London Daily Telegraph

don't tell McCain. We want him to be surprised.

If so a republicon Shadow Boxer may emerge.

Republicons love that occult shit.

Come on, occult shit can be fun!

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Poised to strike hard and fast?

If he runs a half-assed campaign like Gore and Kerry, he'll lose.

Why should we expect anything different in the general election?

the final score need be the only boasting necessary. . .

Here we all suspected that Hillary was actually a buddy of John Mc Old. In truth, she was the best thing that could have happened to Obama. Who says Dems don't hang together????
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