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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:16 AM
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Peggy Noonan - "Sex and the Sissy"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121148557268715077.html?mod=djemEditorialPage

She was born in Russia, fled the pogroms with her family, was raised in Milwaukee, and worked the counter at her father's general store when she was 8. In early adulthood she made aliyah to Palestine, where she worked on a kibbutz, picking almonds and chasing chickens. She rose in politics, was the first woman in the first Israeli cabinet, soldiered on through war and rumors of war, became the first and so far only woman to be prime minister of Israel. And she knew what it is to be a woman in the world. "At work, you think of the children you've left at home. At home you think of the work you've left unfinished. . . . Your heart is rent." This of course was Golda Meir.

Golda Meir never cried 'sexism.'

Another: She was born in a family at war with itself and the reigning power outside. As a child she carried word from her important father to his fellow revolutionaries, smuggling the papers in her school bag. War and rumors of war, arrests, eight months in jail. A rise in politics -- administering refugee camps, government minister. When war came, she refused to flee an insecure border area; her stubbornness helped rally a nation. Her rivals sometimes called her "Dumb Doll," and an American president is said to have referred to her in private as "the old witch." But the prime minister of India preferred grounding her foes to dust to complaining about gender bias. In the end, and in the way of things, she was ground up too. Proud woman, Indira Gandhi.

And there is Margaret Hilda Roberts. A childhood in the besieged Britain of World War II -- she told me once of listening to the wireless and being roused by Churchill. "Westward look, the land is bright," she quoted him; she knew every stanza of the old poem. Her father, too, was a shopkeeper, and she grew up in the apartment above the store near the tracks. She went to Oxford on scholarship, worked as a chemist, entered politics, rose, became another first and only, succeeding not only in a man's world but in a class system in which they knew how to take care of ambitious little grocer's daughters from Grantham. She was to a degree an outsider within her own party, so she remade it. She lived for ideas as her colleagues lived for comfort and complaint. The Tories those days managed loss. She wanted to stop it; she wanted gain. Just before she became prime minister, the Soviets, thinking they were deftly stigmatizing an upstart, labeled her the Iron Lady. She seized the insult and wore it like a hat. This was Thatcher, stupendous Thatcher, now the baroness.

Great women, all different, but great in terms of size, of impact on the world and of struggles overcome. Struggle was not something they read about in a book. They did not use guilt to win election -- it comes up zero if you Google "Thatcher" and "You're just picking on me because I'm a woman." Instead they used the appeals men used: stronger leadership, better ideas, a superior philosophy.

* * *

You know where I'm going, for you know where she went. Hillary Clinton complained again this week that sexism has been a major dynamic in her unsuccessful bid for political dominance. She is quoted by the Washington Post's Lois Romano decrying the "sexist" treatment she received during the campaign, and the "incredible vitriol that has been engendered" by those who are "nothing but misogynists." The New York Times reported she told sympathetic bloggers in a conference call that she is saddened by the "mean-spiritedness and terrible insults" that have been thrown "at you, for supporting me, and at women in general."

Where to begin? One wants to be sympathetic to Mrs. Clinton at this point, if for no other reason than to show one's range.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:38 AM
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1. Oh, dear
Peggy Noonon makes a good point. This is now three times in a row. :(
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 02:12 PM
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15. Remember, they were in a parliamentary system. It works differently.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 02:13 PM
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16. More proof that the world has turned upside-down.
I can't believe something Peggy I-Wanna-Be-Bush's-Girlfriend Noonan wrote something that I can actually read without puking.
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mishte Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:02 PM
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2. what is so incredible is who these complaints are coming from...

A woman who could easily be called the most powerful woman in America,

A woman who up until 2 months ago was the presumptive front-runner, nominee and popular choice for.... President of the United States.

Can she really make claims of being held down, dismissed, passed over because of her gender - as she actively participates in the Presidential nomination process? With a straight face, no less?

What she seems to have misunderstood is that while having one of - if not the - most important and powerful opportunities in the nation (or the world) and being considered not just tolerably but the likely winner for most of it - does not include one.... little....detail.... and that is: success. She had the nation at her feet in January, and she didn't run a winnable campaign. So she's losing.

Equality is about opportunity. Success is neither guaranteed automatically or not the responsibility of the individual. There is absolutely no sexism here at all. If anyone can't use that argument, it's Clinton.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:19 AM
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9. Bingo
Welcome to DU, btw! :hi:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 02:14 PM
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17. If anything, it's reverse sexism.
If she were a man, she would have been forced out months ago.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:58 PM
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3. Hillary nutcrackers? Never heard of those before but
what would they mean? Are they supposed to mean she's cracking men's nuts or her own? Between the union guy stating she has "testicular fortitude" and Carville suggesting she has three testicles, I sincerely can't determine the meaning. They could be as much for her as against her.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:03 PM
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5. here you go
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 02:18 PM
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18. Personally, I've never seen Hillary "cracking" any "nuts."
Rather, she's tried to engage in a locker room "measuring" contest to prove she has "a big one."

But the minute something goes wrong, she's a poor little lady who's getting picked on by those mean boys!

She's a disgrace.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:07 PM
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4. I hate agreeing with Peggy Noonan.
But the stopped clock happens to be pointing to the correct time on this one.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:26 AM
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6. Bullshit
Using words like "bitch" or "witch" or worse (which I won't type) in regards to Hillary is SEXIST, you morons. Fuck Peggy Noonan. All of those women she referenced were right wing blowhards. Margaret Thatcher? The worst leader the UK has ever had. Right win asshole. Indira Gandi? Well talk about her murdering all those Sikhs. Those women are hardly "great".

And there is real sexism out there towards Clinton and you are in denial if you don't see. On this very message board.

I hear sexist jokes every single fucking day of my life. So don't tell me there's no sexism. Open your fucking eyes.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:32 AM
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10. I will, if you'll open your eyes to the racism directed at Obama.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:00 PM
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12. It's about using sexist
remarks as a scapegoat for a failed and ill planned campaign.

Sexism exists, we know that. From one moron to another, open your own eyes and realize that strength comes from rising above adversity not from whining and complaining about its very existence.



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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:01 PM
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13. "Fuck Peggy Noonan."
Would that be sexist, or sexy?
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 02:21 PM
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19. So, just so I'm clear, "bitch" is bad but "asshole" is okay?
Okay then, Hillary is an asshole.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:43 PM
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7. Who knew? peggy noonan ..right on the money, although
you just know she has an ulterior motive for being so spot on with this analysis.

hilary and elton john whining about misogynists..not having an earthly clue that this balderdash whine was hurting her cause.

hilary's like sybil on steriods..one minute she's a whiner and the next she does that "butch up" thing, noonan was talking about.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:04 AM
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8. That anyone on DU gives credence to Noonan's delusional rantings
surprises even me....

Such I suppose is the depth of Hillary hatred.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 12:38 PM
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11. Why the fuck are people allowed to post shit from Noonan here?
Go over the Freak Republic and post there.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 01:21 PM
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14. Are you going to critique her analysis or just bluster?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 04:43 PM
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20. It's NOONAN
I'm no great fan of Hillary and the complaint that she's overused the sexism charge is entirely true but it's PEGGY fucking NOONAN! Has everyone forgotten that she's an evil hack?
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