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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:56 AM
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Dionne: Graceless Under Fire
WASHINGTON--Hillary Clinton talked her way out of the vice presidency on Tuesday night.

Barack Obama may never have intended to make her the offer. But Clinton's largely self-focused non-concession speech suggested that what some call a dream ticket could turn into a nightmare.

...politics is also about signals and gestures, doing the right thing at the right moment, dealing with outcomes not to your liking.

Clinton's choice was to present Obama with an implicit critique that might be seen as a set of demands. Clinton told her supporters: "We won together the swing states necessary to get to 270 electoral votes." Message to Obama: You failed to do that, and you need me to get it done.

She also offered an argument she made during the campaign that John McCain is certain to use, over and over, against Obama. "Who will be the strongest candidate and the strongest president? Who will be ready to take back the White House and take charge as commander in chief and lead our country to better tomorrows?" Whose purpose did she serve by repeating this?

...Hillary Clinton is an enormously talented public servant. Many who ended up supporting Obama once hoped to support her. But Clinton's political future requires her to accept that Obama has prevailed, that the primary campaign is over, and that graciousness in defeat can, paradoxically, be turned into the most powerful leverage of all.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=54851f0e-11f2-45b7-9bf4-8829b298cd33
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:59 AM
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1. This opinion has hit the mark
Now that question becomes, can she heal the rift she created with in the party
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:01 AM
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2. The question is can anyone get through her thick head that this is what needs to happen
Right now, all I am seeing is a continuation of the entitlement and "beg us to come back" message.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:08 AM
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5. SHE created? Guess what, kiddo? Not HER job. HIS job. HIS.
And there was never a day in this life that man was going to ask that woman to be his Veep. Never. So the column was disingenuous from the getgo.

She got HALF the votes and you all are pretending she got none. Take a high colonic and call me in the morning.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:20 AM
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7. So she isn't a Democrat anymore, or are you admitting she was a self centered self absorbed woman
that only cared about herself????
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:39 AM
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9. I had hoped...
that the Clinton supporters would have left their anger aside and become more conciliatory in their remarks. I see none of that from you in post after post. It's truly unfortunate that you cannot let go of your anger over your candidate losing the nomination. I had hoped not to have to put anyone on ignore at this point, but this will be the case. Bye Bye, and hope that you can resolve your anger issues at some point down the road.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:25 PM
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10. hope to see you here supporting the nominee by next wednesday
or if you aren't, I hope not to see you.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:20 PM
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11. she lost. she lost and acted awful. everyone on this planet is seeing
it and writing about it. get over it. she was awful and now its cost her everything. good.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:32 PM
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12. get over yourself
You are deluded if you think that all the people who voted for Hillary are part of the "hate Obama" camp.

She was a nominee, just like anyone else and she lost the primary campaign. If she had any class she would have accepted this after DOZENS and DOZENS of her NY and House and Senate supporters called her to tell her IT'S OVER.

She is so out-of-touch that she doesn't realize that more and more democrats have grown to detest her after her campaign stunts. I certainly do not want her to have ANYTHING to do with the power structure of the DNC.

and, that's what happened on Tues. The Clinton dynasty ended.

hallelujah.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:04 AM
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3. Clinton="I, ME, MINE".
"Graceless" and "ungracious" pretty well describe her, especially when she could have ended her campaign on a high note and with class on Tuesday night, a momentous and an historic moment for this country. Had Clinton been nominated after a close and hard fought race it would have also been momentous and historic. How would she have then felt if Obama had behaved as she did and gave the speech that she gave that night? Sad.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:05 AM
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4. Wow! Dionne nailed it
Her speech was filled with "I, I, I," and pointedly excluded anything about the history Obama had made just a short while before. Who needs that in a Vice-President? She's not fit for the job, and, after supporting her and then switching to the better candidate, I don't believe she's suited to accomplish much in the Democratic Party, having squandered whatever reputation she might have had.

Forgiveness, though, is a powerful political tool, and I hope Senator Clinton will be the recipient of the forgiveness that would set her right and lead her in the correct path. For now, she's made a fool of herself and disrespected the nominee. What an ignominious end to what should have been a noble and righteous campaign.
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:11 AM
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6. Nice article. This is a thought. I think Hillary announcing on Sat. to buy time to workout a deal
with Obama for VP slot. If that does not happen, she may back out!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:28 AM
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8. She's still trying to weaken Obama, foster mistrust and telegraph future power struggles.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=54851f0e-11f2-45b7-9bf4-8829b298cd33">Graceless Under Fire

By E.J. Dionne, Jr.
June 5, 2008


WASHINGTON--Hillary Clinton talked her way out of the vice presidency on Tuesday night.

Barack Obama may never have intended to make her the offer. But Clinton's largely self-focused non-concession speech suggested that what some call a dream ticket could turn into a nightmare.

Clinton did declare it an "honor" to have Obama as an opponent and "to call him my friend," but she made no acknowledgement of the historic nature of her opponent's achievement. Democrats, once the party most associated with slavery and segregation, had just taken the decisive step of making Obama the first African-American to be a major-party nominee for president. But Obama was not really on Clinton's radar.

.....

Clinton's choice was to present Obama with an implicit critique that might be seen as a set of demands. Clinton told her supporters: "We won together the swing states necessary to get to 270 electoral votes." Message to Obama: You failed to do that, and you need me to get it done.

She also offered an argument she made during the campaign that John McCain is certain to use, over and over, against Obama. "Who will be the strongest candidate and the strongest president? Who will be ready to take back the White House and take charge as commander in chief and lead our country to better tomorrows?" Whose purpose did she serve by repeating this?

"To the 18 million people who voted for me, and to our many other supporters out there of all ages, I want to hear from you," she said. "I hope you'll go to my Web site at HillaryClinton.com and share your thoughts with me and help in any way that you can."

Perhaps this was a final pitch for funds, understandable in light of her campaign debt. But it also seemed to have echoes of Richard Nixon's Checkers speech. Was she trying to create a groundswell to pressure Obama to give her the second spot?

.....

But gaining the vice presidency by invoking leverage just can't work. It makes the presidential candidate look weak. It breaks in advance the trust that running mates need. It can only presage conflicts and power struggles in a new administration.





She cares nothing for the VP position under Obama. She's wielding her self-proclaimed, yet rapidly shrinking political capital as a meat mallet, swinging it at Obama and his eventual VP running mate.


Keeping up her overt attacks will weaken Obama, foster mistrust and telegraph future power struggles.



And that, is precisely why she's doing it.







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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:39 PM
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13. I grew to hate her over this campaign season
and Obama wasn't even my first choice.

She really is acting like some political version Fatal Attraction.

It's really sad that the first time a First Lady and a female made a serious bid for the White House, she continues to tarnish her image.

I hope to see a female president in my lifetime. But I never want to see Hillary was president.
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