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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:28 PM
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Wow. Frank Rich takes no prisoners on Sunday, June 8: "One Historic Night, Two Americas."
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 09:29 PM by faygokid
". . . The Obama forces out-organized the most ruthless machine in Democratic politics because the medium of their campaign mirrored its inclusive message. They empowered adherents in every state rather than depending on a Beltway campaign hierarchy whose mercenary chief strategist kept his day job as chief executive for a corporate P.R. giant. . .

". . .When the world gets a firsthand look at the new America Mr. Obama offers as an alternative to Mr. McCain’s truculent stay-the-course, the public pandemonium may make J.F.K.’s “Ich bin ein Berliner” visit to the Berlin Wall look like a warm-up act."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/opinion/08rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

We're just warming up here, folks. Hannity doesn't know what's coming.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:34 PM
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1. What a fantastic article! I adore Frank Rich! He's also a helluva
writer who gets to the heart of the matter. Thanks to you and Mr. Rich! :thumbsup: And Rec'd!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:38 PM
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2. Thanks. Let's keep it kicked; it's great stuff.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:47 PM
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3. I'll kick it for you. Great pic of JL, too.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:14 PM
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8. K&R#9
He nailed it - what a skewering. "Country club membership...."

A true patriot.:patriot: :yourock:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:10 AM
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12. I feel good for the first time in eight years. I cannot put it to words.
thanks for this article.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:37 PM
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23. I met Obama four years ago
when I was at my lowest. Personally I had no hope, and for the future of the country/world I had no hope. I just didn't care any more, I had given up. I heard about him from my kids and I volunteered for him in his Senate race. From the first time I talked with him, my attitude began to change. It was not miracle, it was just that what he said made sense and his hope for the future was contagious. When we talked dooms day ideas, he scoffed and told us what he thought would come about. I did not expect Kerry to win in the presidental race, but was disappointed when my expectations came true, I was so hoping that I was wrong. But I didn't give up hope, because I had made strides in getting my life together and I knew that if I could get better, then this country could do also. Last Tuesday I had a new all time emotional high when I knew Barack had the nomination. I do have the hope that this will be a new day for the good old USA.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:49 PM
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4. This is great
I know someone who grew up with Frank Rich, another writer in NY, who always put him down because he failed to be with his first wife when she delivered their baby - he went to the theater because he was the drama critic. Who knows what the story is behind that? But, my friend - named Harry - was just so scornful of Rich.

Then Harry had a best-seller about his conversion from Liberal Democrat to Rabid Right-Wing Republican. I was glad for him, but our friendship soon ended, simply because the politics he and his wife - also my friend - were embracing were just too distasteful for me.

Can I tell you how pleased I am that Frank Rich has done so well while Harry's career is in the toilet?
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 09:55 PM
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5. Absolutely excellent
and that last sentence, got me all fuzzy inside.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:06 PM
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6. Ouch
Grandpa McSame should just give it up
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Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:09 PM
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7. Wonderful column for the NYT...
So Obama has vanquished Clinton and is on his way to vanquishing McCain. Obama is said to view the world and its problems from outside the baby-boomers' claustrophobic box.* And while it's great that Frank Rich appreciates all the intergenerational nuances of the 2008 election as well as the superiority of Obama's website design, he doesn't venture any thoughts about how much or how little the country's entrenched corporatist interests will dare let Obama shake their world.

*Excluding "the problem" of Israel and Palestine.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:30 PM
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10. Getting rid of lobbyists is a good start:
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-usobam065715709jun06,0,3988649.story

Obama starts his race for the White House

snip//

Moving to grab the levers of the party machinery, he announced the Democratic National Committee will no longer accept money from Washington lobbyists and political action committees - a pledge he carried out in his primary campaign. He left former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean in place as DNC chairman, however.
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Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:20 AM
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14. Point of clarification...
Thanks for the link. Maybe I'm interpreting your comment -- Getting rid of lobbyists is a good start -- too literally. The lobbyists are still there; they're not going anywhere.

Obama's announcement about PAC monies and money from federally-registered lobbyists applies only to the Democratic National Committee. It doesn't apply to individual Democratic senators and congressmen.

As the article states, Obama has grabbed "the levers of the party machinery," but that has nothing to do with any future plans Obama might have about curbing the excesses of corporate power in America. For now, the shift in DNC policy simply means that any money previously budgeted for the DNC by PACs and corporate lobbyists will now find its way into the pockets of other groups and people.

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:21 PM
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9. empowered. that is the word.
that is what this campaign has done. and that is what won.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 10:35 PM
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11. Bravo, Frank Rich!
K and R
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:11 AM
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13. "Ruthless"? That's it, Frank. Go for the unity.
Go for the lie.
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Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:34 AM
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15. So who got jumped in the rankings?
The Obama forces out-organized the most ruthless machine in Democratic politics because the medium of their campaign mirrored its inclusive message.


If the Clinton'08 campaign was "the most ruthless machine in Democratic politics" -- not just in Democratic presidential politics or even modern Democratic politics but the most ruthless machine in Democratic politics since the birth of the Democratic party itself -- then which Democratic political machine got demoted to second place?

I'm surprised Rich didn't specify.

Anybody have any ideas as to who is now in second place?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:46 AM
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16. This line is bullshit and I would advise against it.
"Mr. Obama must also heed Mr. McCain’s directive that he visit Iraq — as long as he avoids Baghdad markets and hits other foreign capitals on route. When the world gets a firsthand look at the new America Mr. Obama offers as an alternative to Mr. McCain’s truculent stay-the-course, the public pandemonium may make J.F.K.’s “Ich bin ein Berliner” visit to the Berlin Wall look like a warm-up act."

Frank Rich helped enable Bush to power, beware his advice.

Obama needs to take no directive from McCain or Frank Rich.

Going to Iraq particularly for Obama would serve no purpose other than as a perilous photo op.

When JFK went to Berlin we weren't engaged in a hot war and too many people in this nation are too limited in their thinking regarding Obama to risk this. When Obama merely takes his oath of office, that will serve as an "Ich bin ein Berliner" moment heard around the world.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:11 AM
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18. Every other bit of that piece is on target -
Rich is more congratulating and boosting Obama than anything else.

And I'm pretty sure that the Obama campaign staffers don't take their cues from Frank.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:51 PM
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21. This might seem like it to you but I believe Rich is playing to McCain's perceived strength or
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 01:13 PM by Uncle Joe
promoting his talking points in two other paragraphs.

"On one side stands Mr. Obama’s resolutely cheerful embrace of the future. His vision is inseparable from his identity, both as a rookie with a slim Washington résumé and as a black American whose triumph was regarded as improbable by voters of all races only months ago. On the other is John McCain’s promise of a wise warrior’s vigilant conservation of the past. His vision, too, is inseparable from his identity — as a government lifer who has spent his entire career in service, whether in the Navy or Washington."

<snip>

Anything can happen in politics, and there are five months to go. But Tuesday night’s McCain pratfall — three weeks in the planning by his campaign, according to Fox News — should be a clear indication that Mr. Obama must accept Mr. McCain’s invitation to weekly debates at once. Tomorrow if possible, and, yes, bring on the green!

In the first paragraph Rich is promoting experience over judgment, he follows that up in the very last paragraph of my first post pressuring the only candidate to vote against the IWR into going to Iraq as proof of his worldliness. Frankly I don't trust Cheney's Halliburton or Prince's Blackwater Mercenaries some imported from South America, they're making billions of dollars out of this war. I'm sure McCain would feel comfortable trusting them as he is no doubt their favorite candidate promoting our long term occupation and their eternal cash cow.

In the last paragraph of this post Rich promotes McCain's call for instant debates which happen to be informal town hall meeting style, which also happen to play to McCain's strength as he isn't as adept at formal rigorous podium debates.

I'm sure Obama's people have better judgment than take their cues from Rich but he's part of the echo chamber.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 10:47 AM
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20. Very good advice. nt
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:50 AM
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17. K & R
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 09:24 AM
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19. He had an article last month about how horrific the McCain campaign was going to be
and that was BEFORE the lobbyist purge (the "talent") started.

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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:28 PM
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22. Mr. Rich
right on the money.
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