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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:15 PM
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Palin's daughter victim of abstinence-only sex education
Source: retrieverweekly.com

Palin's daughter victim of abstinence-only sex education

By Michael Baldwin
Contributing Writer

With the revelation that Sarah Palin’s underage, unwed daughter is pregnant, both political parties are clamoring to pronounce that her family is off limits to the political debate.

While on its own this is a noble notion, we as a nation are missing an opportunity to have a real discussion on the high rate of unplanned teenage pregnancies in this country. The latest surveys show that the united States led the industrialized world in unplanned teenage pregnancies.

According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), the rate for those ages 15-to-19 was 41.9 births per 1,000 in 2006. The estimated annual cost just for 1996 can be broken down as follows:

Read more: http://www.retrieverweekly.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=3626&format=html



This is the framing we need: "Bristol Palin is a victim of her mothers failed polices"

And we will be next.

Don't give me this 'Oh no, I don't want to offend" crap...

Her abstinence only policies are a form of child abuse.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:17 PM
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1. This is an editorial, not LBN. n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:19 PM
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2. Well had she practiced abstinence she wouldn't have
become pregnant.

The idea sounds good but too often fails in real life.
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Marie2 Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:21 AM
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14. Teens get pregnant
with sex ed, with abstinence ed, with combinations thereof. . .

I don't see what's wrong with encouraging minors to abstain, to avoid pregnancy, STDs, and psychological stuff. As long as it is factually based, true statistics are given, etc.

I don't blame the education or lack thereof.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:45 AM
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16. It's abstinence-only
keyword = only

Nobody disagrees with teaching abstinence, but we as animals can never rely on that alone.
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djkevvy Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:20 PM
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3. And if I'm not mistaken, no state spends more than Alaska on abstinence-only education.
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 11:21 PM by djkevvy
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:32 PM
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5. How does one spend huge sums of money on abstinence ed?
Massive condom bonfires perhaps?
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ticked Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:29 PM
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4. Palin's abstinence-only sex education obviously doesn't work
But I do think the press needs to leave the Palin children alone. They didn't ask for any of this.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:56 PM
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7. it's not about the children, it's about Sarah.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:44 AM
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11. It's about her failed policy making her fail her child, well
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 05:42 PM
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25. The issue should be on the table...
We are talking about the party of "Family Values." What sort of family values does the Palin family represent. I can't stand the hypocrisy of the Republican party anymore. They are constantly spouting rhetoric about personal responsibility, moral values and so on - but as soon as a Republican family member demonstrates a sign of "moral weakness" suddenly it becomes a private matter. Bullshit. Integrity is about walking the talk... do as I say not as I do has zero integrity.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:55 PM
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6. I agree, she has been totally irresponsible as a parent
I truly believe that the key to being a successful parent is being there and being involved. Sarah has put her career ahead of her family. It's one thing to have ambition, but it's another once you bring children into this world. They didn't ask to be brought into this world and as a parent, it is her obligation to put them first above all other things. She has failed miserably, both with her daughter and son. It is a shame that because of her obvious neglect, that he may indeed pay a heavy price (possible death) for his errors. The daughter is definitely going to pay a heavy price for her errors. Her life is over before it has begun. Senior year, college, career, all gone out the window because her mother failed as a parent.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 05:35 AM
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17. Horseshit. I worked my entire life and my children weren't
neglected because of it. Please don't start this "Sarah is a bad mother because she didn't stay at home crap!!!". For god's sake we are progressive democrats!!!

And her daughter's life isn't over! Sarah herself was young and pregnant and she's now a heartbeat away from the Vice Presidency so give me a break, would you.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:56 AM
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28. Thank you.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:00 AM
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8. This is the result of abstinence education...
Lots of teenage girls in order to keep their virginity and practices abstinence will have oral and anal sex instead.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:04 AM
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9. If it's this obvious and they still don't get it, then we've got bigger problems than we think.
I just had this discussion regarding Palin's daughter being a victim of abstinence-only raising this very day. It's obvious to everyone on this forum, and people I meet on the street.

So why is something this obvious flying over the head of people like Mrs McMooseburger?

I think the bigger problem we have is, to put it bluntly, being out of touch with reality. There isn't much more to be said about it. If people want to pretend like everything they think is the truth, and that they need not do any investigation or introspection, then we might as well just dump everything and go right back to survival of the fittest. Maybe Mrs. McMooseburger really is the fittest. After all, I can't gut a moose. Maybe I'm the loser.

But this is modern society. I don't think these people got the memo. Maybe Alaskan mail is slow.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:50 AM
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13. How do you know you can't gut a moose?
You have as much experience with moose-gutting as SP has with foreign policy.
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:04 AM
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10. Abstinence only teaching didn't help either Gov. Palin,

or her daughter. It isn't offensive to bring it up when the woman in question...wants to tell everyone ELSE how to run their families. What other women can and can't do with their own bodies. She's advocated to have rape victims pay for their own rape kits. Doesn't want rape victims to have access to abortion.

Advocates abstinence only, but doesn't want to give unwed mothers any support. The infant mortality rate is way too high as well. That's poor, uninsured people having children they can't care for. She should definitely be called on her "family values."
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:47 AM
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12. Her policies failed her child - this is not an attack on the child
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jb5150 Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:15 AM
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15. Can't We Stop This (IMHO) Non-Issue
Palin's daughter should be off limits. All the clever catch phrases and one liners are not going to solve the issue of teen pregnancy. I happen to agree that giving a teen more information rather than less (or for the abstinence based crowd, next to none) works better than the now much ridiculed slogan "just say no". Why don't we just blame God who gave us hormones and, made sex feel good. There are more solid reasons that make Palin a bad choice for VP than this one.
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VeggieTart Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:14 AM
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18. No, we can't stop, and this isn't a non-issue
It's an indication of Scary Palin's failed policies. And if it isn't proof, it's a very good indication that abstinence-only "education" doesn't stop kids from having sex, but it does stop them from using contraception. And if she's wrong on this, what else is she wrong about?

Second, if Barack Obama had a teenage daughter who got pregnant by a guy who referred to himself as a "fucking gangsta" (Bristol Palin's baby daddy had a MySpace page where he called himself a "fucking redneck"), do you think the conservatives would say the Obama kids were off-limits? Hell to the no! They'd smear the poor girl and use her as an example of the failed policy of liberalism.

There are many reasons Palin is a bad choice; her policy failure is one of them. And if you can say a teenager getting pregnant (or impregnating another teenager) is a parental failure for someone else, then, yes, it's a parental failure for both Todd and Sarah Palin. They both failed her.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:24 PM
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19. Well, grahamhgreen, we've had it for quite a while here in Scotland, and guess what,
there is now a record number of children with gonorrhoea and herpes. Not to speak of the ever-growing number of schoolgirl pregnancies. And we were told sex education was supposed to knock all that on the head.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:37 AM
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20. The Risks Teens Face
The Risks Teens Face

The supporters of abstinence argue that it is the only infallible way to prevent sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies. But, by definition, abstinence works only when teens are sexually inactive -- without exception. Unfortunately, statistics indicate that one-fourth of 15-year-olds have had sexual intercourse at least once, and more than half of 17-year-olds are sexually active, according to the Institute.

The risks are even more startling: A sexually active teenage girl who has sex without contraception has a 90% chance of becoming pregnant within a year, according to the Institute. Just as disturbing is that in a single act of vaginal intercourse with an infected male partner, a female teenager has a 30% risk of contracting genital herpes, a 50% chance of contracting gonorrhea, and a 1 in 100 chance of acquiring HIV.


MORE HERE: http://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/abstinence-vs-sex-ed
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:55 PM
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21. Yes, but these rates rates have been increasing all the time in the UK,
the further the country has drifted from its historically Christian culture.

That's not conjecture. It's fact. Awkward, but you know the saying about not being able to have our own facts, whatever opinions we may cherish.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:36 AM
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26. What facts have you cited?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:40 PM
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22. FYI: $1.5 billion is the price tag for abstinence only since 2001 state & fed combined
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:17 PM
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23. not to mention marital victims
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:33 PM
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24. it's a you made your bed now lie in it sort of thing.
marriage as punishment must do wonders for everyone involved!! and being the child of a kid forced to get married should do wonders as well. not saying anyone would be a bad parent. i am saying that a teen forced to carry a child and get married could feel resentment of some kind.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:54 AM
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27. Leave children out of this.
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