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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 08:33 AM
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The Last Stop: The American Collapse That We Don’t Wish for…



The Last Stop: The American Collapse That We Don’t Wish for…
Addustour, Jordan
By Rakan Al-Majali
Translated By Yara Yousif Tarawneh
23 December 2008
Edited by Louis Standish

Many were happy about the Soviet Union’s collapse and joined the Capitalist West. In spite of the joy about the collapse of the Communist army, time proved that the bipolarity emerging after the Second World War was somehow an element contributing to international relationships balance. Today the world sees that America’s unchecked unilateral power has exhausted the whole world, including America.

Despite all that, we still do not wish for America to collapse, despite its bloody and destructive evilness towards our nation. We believe that America’s collapse would cause world panic and might be the beginning of other collapses all around the globe. Based on the effects of the financial meltdown, the complete collapse of America would be more destructive and tragic.

Americans began to feel more than a year ago that the imperial dream had turned into a nightmare, and the breaking down of the Bush administration’s madness began in stages, prominent amongst which was the formation of the Baker-Hamilton commission and its 79 recommendations.

I beg your pardon to allow me to express my doubt and skepticism about all the American variables, changes, and the peak of its presidential election, which in some of its more inspiring aspects expressed a broad political coup, especially since it came from a state of panic and reactions based on mysterious givens.

~snip~

It is not a secret that increasing the number of American troops and expanding the war in Afghanistan will be a disaster; it is the idea of President-elect Obama, and Secretary of Defense Gates (also Bush’s Secretary of Defense), is very keen and excited to execute this idea. And if Obama wants to “Break his stick in his first battle,” then his battle against Afghanistan will be the beginning of an American collapse that we don’t wish for. And that would be another story.


Rest of article at: http://watchingamerica.com/News/15835/the-last-stop-the-american-collapse-that-we-don%e2%80%99t-wish-for%e2%80%a6/
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:28 AM
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1. The very idea
... that America should stretch way out with weapons of destruction into Afghanistan, or anywhere,
is just plain crazy. Especially when we are broke and owe so much to foreigners. Not to mention the enemies we make.

But that's empire. America needs to back away from being an empire, but it looks like Obama supports more empire.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 07:39 PM
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10. All points you make are important. Plus there is also the
Important consideration that no empire has ever conquered Afghanistan, but Afghanistan has broken several nations.

I wish President-to-be-Obama would read more about the USSR conflict with Afghanistan and less about Lincoln.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 09:58 AM
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2. K&R For Hope. We Don't Want to Collapse, Either
If the Obscenely Rich want to destroy this country, then we'll gladly relieve them of their wealth, and give them a real problem to worry about, instead.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 11:53 AM
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5. Very well said, both OP and Demeter
and others here.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 10:09 AM
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3. The collapse of the American empire is a good thing, from the Founders' point of view
We are supposed to be a republic, not an empire. Our first President warned us about foreign entanglements, wise words which have been too often ignored.

Afghanistan is already lost, ask the British military. Afghanistan is no more a country than Somalia is, and no one is suggesting we go back to Somalia.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 11:27 AM
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4. How true
I was hoping we could rescue America before she completely collapsed. But when the SCOTUS weren't hauled from their offices and arrested on 12/12/2000, and one felony after another went unpunished over the last 8 years, it became ever more clear that we would have to end like the USSR did - destitute, powerless, humiliated.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:06 PM
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6. The day it started was a long time before 12-12-2000!
I would have to say it was first warned about in President Eisenhower's last speech before handing the reins of power over to JFK. Ike had felt the power of the CIA and had peace with the USSR snatched from his hands by the U-2 incident! Then the guy who was running the CIA under Ike was fired by JFK for his handling of the bay of pigs later that man fired by Kennedy was put in a key position to oversee the investigation of the murder of the man that had fired him, the Warren commission.

As well as helping to perpetuate the Kennedy assassination "hoax" by turning down Haldeman's proposal for a new JFK probe, Nixon had a major hand in perpetrating it. In November of 1964, on the eve of the official release of the Warren Report, private citizen Nixon went public in support of the panel's coming findings. In a piece for Reader's Digest, he portrayed Oswald as the sole assassin. And Nixon implied that Castro — "a hero in the warped mind of Oswald" — was the real culprit.

He claimed that Robert Kennedy, as attorney general, had authorized a larger number of wiretaps than his own administration. "But I don't criticize it," he declared, adding, "if he had ten more and — as a result of wiretaps — had been able to discover the Oswald Plan, it would have been worth it."

Whoops! The president apparently didn't realize his reference to "the Oswald Plan" didn't square with the government's official lone-killer finding. For if Lee Harvey Oswald had been solely responsible for the assassination, then there would not have been anyone for Oswald to conspire with about his "plan" — on a bugged telephone, or otherwise. Was Nixon inadvertently revealing his knowledge that Mob leaders (Robert Kennedy's main wiretap targets) had a role in President Kennedy's slaying? Was such a belief based on information acquired as a result of Nixon's own solid ties to organized crime and the Mafia-infested Teamsters union?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:21 PM
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7. Yes, but they actually overthrew the elected government in Dec 2000
The police state/national security state has been growing, with the Bush family up to their wrinkled necks in it, for 50 years or so. But the coup d'etat in 2000 should have caused riots, complete with torches and rope. When it didn't, our fate was sealed.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 02:55 PM
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8. I still feel this was the first coup back in 1963


Our president was murdered right in front of us then we were lied to about who did it! The files relating to the Oswald CIA affiliation are sealed until 2038 probably since they include his dealings with the CIA, FBI and the Bush family. I'm old enough to remember that day and wish to see the day the truth is finally unveiled hopefully sooner rather than later. Also take note of the actions of the driver and shotgun rider in the car bullets were flying the windshield was hit yet they just watch and wait for the head shot before doing anything!

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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-08 04:27 PM
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9. I agree with you that the coup began with the JFK assassination.
But watch out what you say, these threads get thrown in the dungeon for mentioning such "crazy, anti-CIA conspiracy theories."
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-08 04:30 AM
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11. The was at least one ATTEMPT before that, but it failed. And Prescott Bush was at it's heart.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

FDR was among our very greatest Presidents, let there be no doubt or mistake.

But retrospectively, it is quite clear that his failure to try, convict, and hang the High Treasonists (preferring to bury the info "for the good of the country") including Prescott Bush, was his greatest mistake.

HW Bush carried on the family tradition in Dallas 1963, and maybe the fact that Watergate got exposed was a PLUS to the Bushies, as it shattered the more moderate wing of the Republican Party and allowed the Bushies to get their patsy-puppet Raygun in, which is when all the really bad shredding of the System of Checks and Balances started.

I've heard Watergate called a "silent coup" and isn't it amazing that of ALL people most likely to be up to their necks in Watergate, neither HW Bush nor Cheney was mentioned.

One wonders what one would find if one looks even further back at the Bush Family?

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