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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 10:47 PM
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'Obama's anti-outsourcing may hurt global trade'
19 Mar 2009, 0153 hrs IST, Harsimran Singh & Shelley Singh, ET Bureau

NEW DELHI: His anti-outsourcing views may have struck a chord with middle-class Americans during his presidential campaign, but Barack Obama is having a tough time selling these policies to some of the largest US corporations.

Top US corporations such as IBM, HP and Sun Microsystems, which of which have large outsourcing operations in India, are giving the cold shoulder to the anti-outsourcing policies of the Obama administration.

The US government’s decision in February to offer an annual tax shield of $5,000 per employee per year to companies that keep jobs in the US had invited criticism from several quarters, most notably from the $60 billion Indian software and outsourcing industry which depends on the US market for 65% of its revenues.

But senior executives at several US corporations, now touring India, also say the anti-outsourcing policies and impractical and could adversely impact world trade.

“The local sourcing push by the US administration is unlikely to be effective in a globalised world,” said Marius Haas, senior vice-president, HP ProCurve, which competes with Cisco in products such as switches and routers and has research facilities in India.

“We have labs spread across Bangalore, Costa Rica and Europe. It’s a competitive economy and you go where the talent is. The local sourcing policy on hardware is unlikely to work as 80% of the world now sources manufacturing from countries like Taiwan and China,” he said.

Microsoft, the world’s top software company, has already aired its opposition to Obama administration’s curb on H-1B visas that provide jobs to non-US professionals in the US.

Indian subsidiaries of US companies such as IBM, Sun, Microsoft, Oracle and HP together employ over 150,000 people. IBM, which has more than 70,000 employees in India, sees no merit in US government’s protectionist policies.

“We manufacture products and deliver services from virtually every country in the world. We are present in more than 170 countries. IBM goes wherever the talent and the market is,” said Edward Orange, IBM’s director - Lotus Business Unit, software group, Asia-Pacific.

Analysts also do not see such policies making a big impact. “Companies won’t give up offshoring strategy because of this,” said Suvojoy Sengupta, partner at consultancy firm Booz & Company.

Sun Microsystems says the US administration’s moves could affect the competitiveness of the industry.

“The policy may shrink global trade in the long run. Not every job can be outsourced. But a job has to be done at the right place and at the right time. Outsourcing is like a bag of trail mix of nuts and dry fruits, which are sourced from all over the world. Curtailing outsourcing will mean affecting that bag of best trail mix,” said Joe Hartley, vice-president for Sun’s global education, government and healthcare business.

Bangalore-based offshoring advisory company Tholons also played down the impact of the US administration’s anti-outsourcing policies, saying it would be difficult to prove that jobs have been outsourced. “If the US subsidiary of an Indian company or a US company is taking over the outsourced job, like say McDonalds outsourcing to TCS in the US or IBM, and in turn taking IT support from India, it will be very difficult to prove that the job has been offshored. But in the case of BPO work, the blur may be less apparent,” said Avinash Vashishtha, CEO of Tholons.

Some Indian BPO companies based in India also seem unfazed by the new US policies. “It’s in India’s best interest if the US takes some hard measures to revive its economy. It might not impact too much as offshoring still remains a huge cost and quality arbitrage opportunity, with about 40% savings,” said Rohit Kapoor, CEO of EXL Service, a Nasdaq-listed BPO firm based in Noida.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Infotech/ITeS/Obamas-anti-outsourcing-may-hurt-global-trade/articleshow/4284559.cms

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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 10:50 PM
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1. like a vacination hurts for a little while,
we have to re shuffle this deck, we cannot play it as it lays. It will be uncomfortable, maybe even chaotic, but it is for the best.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 10:51 PM
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2. Seriously? Again, damned if he does... I bet there are
differing opinions on this.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 10:52 PM
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3. Obama is not the President of India, and he is not the CEO of some global corporation.
He is the President of the USA, and that is where his primary responsibilities lie. So if they want to argue with his policies, they need to frame it in terms of what is good for the USA and its citizens.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 10:54 PM
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4. They go where the talent is? Bullshit.
They go where they can get away with paying their employees nothing. There's plenty of talent in the U.S., but American workers would actually require decent pay.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:45 AM
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12. Nice.
There ought to be a little award icon for cutting through BS succinctly.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 10:58 PM
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5. India is becoming a real whiner of a country
Look India, no one has the right to work in another country.

You of all countries have no room to talk after your recent efforts to ensure Indians remain employed in your own country by making it a law that foreign workers have to be fired first.

Now grow the fuck up.

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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 10:59 PM
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6. Last time I checked...
this was still a... "government of the people, by the people, and for the people"

These companies exist and have profited because of these ideals.

If they don't like it, fuck'em... other companies willing to play by the rules will gladly take their customers.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:13 PM
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7. Boo fuckin' hoo you colonized whiny fucks
Tell you what, you take back Piyush Jindal and then we'll talk or better yet CREATE YOUR OWN INDUSTRIES ASSHOLES!!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:14 PM
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8. The employees these purportedly "American" companies hire
in India do not pay American taxes, do not buy goods in America, do not share the burdens and responsibilities of Americans. Why should an American president care about them? Do they care about America or Americans?

Since Reagan, every American president has presided over an outflow of American jobs. As a result, Americans have been living on credit and can't earn decent wages. Obama is not doing too much. He is not doing enough to keep jobs here in America. He needs to do much more.

All the complicated theories about what has caused the financial melt-down boil down to the fact that, thanks to high interest rates on consumer credit, the focus of our economy has shifted from manufacturing and production to the trading of financial instruments and credit.

I say it once more. Read the article entitled Infinite Debt by Thomas Geoghegan in the April edition of Harper's. It is a fantastic article that explains in simple terms backed up by historical facts why how our economy fell apart. Outsourcing to India and China, the Philippines and El Salvador did not just happen. The outsourcing is the result of greed and the fact that investors thought they could make much more money in finance than in making things.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:29 PM
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10. I'll have to read that. Thanks for the tip.
It always amazes me how the pro-outsourcing crowd still tries to peddle snake oil and magical thinking. Stagnating wages and the credit bubble have hit the wall and the U.S. consumer can no longer prop up the sham economy.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:27 PM
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9. Greedy MF
These CEO's don't give a hoot about their country. The only thing they care about is their profits.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:05 AM
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11. Don't try to sell it to them. Just pass the law over their objections. (nt)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:39 PM
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13. What anti-outsourcing beyond empty speeches?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:03 PM
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14. Good Point. n/t
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 03:27 PM
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15. So which is their position? 1) won't affect anything 2) will hurt a lot 3) can't prove it.
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 03:36 PM by Waiting For Everyman
Such an obvious bunch of liars. It reminds me of the RW propaganda about tax cuts for the rich, privatizing, and deregulation. Their message is always... if you don't go along with what we want, the sky will fall. (Nevermind that we did what they wanted, and the sky DID fall.)

It's so nostalgic. :sarcasm:
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