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rivertext Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 11:12 AM
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Sen. Wyden - OR -D - working to kill National Healthcare reform?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/robert_reich/2009/06/the-public-option-smokescreens.php?ref=fpblg

How Pharma and Insurance Intend to Kill the Public Option, And What Obama and the Rest of Us Must Do -- by Robert Reich
June 5, 2009, 10:19PM

I'ved poked around Washington today, talking with friends on the Hill who confirm the worst: Big Pharma and Big Insurance are gaining ground in their campaign to kill the public option in the emerging health care bill.

-- snip --

... Last night {{Republican Senator Olympia}} Snowe hosted a private meeting between members and staffers about a new proposal Pharma and Insurance are floating, and apparently she's already gained the tentative support of several Democrats (including *** Ron Wyden *** and Thomas Carper). Under Snowe's proposal, the public option would kick in years from now, but it would be triggered only if insurance companies fail to bring down healthcare costs and expand coverage in he meantime.

What's the catch? First, these conditions are likely to be achieved by other pieces of the emerging legislation; for example, computerized records will bring down costs a tad, and a mandate requiring everyone to have coverage will automatically expand coverage. If it ever comes to it, Pharma and Insurance can argue that their mere participation fulfills their part of the bargain, so no public option will need to be triggered....

-- *** emphasis *** and {{bracketed}} comments added


How to contact Senator Wyden (if you live in Oregon as I do):

http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 11:35 AM
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1. I do and I will
Although Ron is not exactly a good listener...
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rivertext Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 11:46 AM
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2. Carper is Delaware's senator - contact info below
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 01:21 PM
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11. DONE! I may be from Kentucky, but my son-in-law has an important
business in Wilmington and is a dem.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 11:49 AM
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3. Their office denied this yesterday
I first got notice of this late Thursday so I called yesterday to talk to a live human. They said the trigger is not Wyden's idea and he doesn't support it. So someone is misinformed somewhere, either Wyden's office or the rumor swirling around.
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rivertext Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 11:59 AM
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4. Did they say Wyden supports Kennedy's public insurance bill? n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 12:01 PM
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5. They wouldn't go that far
But they did say the trigger isn't his idea and he isn't advocating it. I talked to them before Kennedy's plan was released.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 12:55 PM
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7. Funny when I said to them about Wyden's trigger they said nothing about him not supporting it and
I've called about 6 times.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 01:13 PM
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9. Where did you call?
I called DC and that's the very first thing the guy said, no this is not Wyden's plan and he doesn't support it. I called yesterday morning. Did you call later in the day? I want to get this nailed down because I hate being lied to.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 12:41 AM
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14. Portland, Salem, and DC
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 05:49 PM
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18. Thank you
I'm calling DC tomorrow to figure out who lied to me. All the Democrats down here are furious over this so I think there's an opportunity to get him to change his mind.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 12:53 PM
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6. I've contacted him several times. He is gonna do what he is gonna do and cares nothing of what we
say!
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rivertext Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 01:02 PM
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8. we got rid of Sen. Smith - we can fire Wyden as well!
If Wyden works with the Drug companies to kill National Healthcare he is finished in OR.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 01:16 PM
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10. That's absolutely true
He can't not know that.

I've started working with this group on action alerts and last Thursday/Friday was Wyden. They have a cool thing where they hook you up directly to the senate office so it's quick and free.

http://tools.advomatic.com/8/trigger

Steve Neuberger, Southern Oregon Organizer

Health Care for America NOW

33 N. Central, #303

Medford OR 97501

o 541 772-4029

c 541 941-8309

steve@nwfco.org


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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 12:42 AM
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15. Yes I talked to him at the Pear Blossom Festival and get update emails from him.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 01:25 PM
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12. Supposedly the House Progressives have warned Obama and the
Edited on Sat Jun-06-09 01:28 PM by MasonJar
Congress that they will not support any bill which does not have a strong public option. They prefer single payer. Our only hope is that these reps stand tall and strong. We need to put their names out there often and call them. Anyone here have a list of this group? I'll call everyone of them every week and cheer them on.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 02:06 PM
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13. Warned Obama??
Obama sent a letter to Kennedy & Baucus expressing his support for a strong public option.
http://www.drsforamerica.org/President-Letter-to-Baucus-and-Kennedy.pdf

Maybe you need to stop listening to the anti-Obama propaganda and get on board calling the people we need to do things like stop the trigger.

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 02:25 AM
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16. The House Progressives have had talks with Obama and have warned him that it has to be part
of it or they'll withdraw their support.
According to my Congressman, Phil Hare (D-IL) they are essentially using the same tactics employed by the less progressive members of Congress to get the attention of the Administration -- that is, talking directly to the President as a group
Rep Hare is an Obama supporter and has been from the very beginning and he is NOT a member of the progressive caucus (to my knowledge)

You are correct that people here need to contact their senators and congress persons and let them know how we feel.

But there is a political angle to this and the Progressive Caucus has to make their position clear on the issue -- Not as a "We don't trust you President Obama."
But as a "We feel very strongly about this issue and we will fight for it tooth-and-nail."
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 02:35 AM
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17. If Wyden sells out and opposes a public option- ESPECIALLY if Obama support it
He'll live to regret it.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 08:22 PM
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19. Saw this over on RCP
It liked to the WSJ article...

Wyden's Third Way
The Oregon senator questions the wisdom


By COLLIN LEVY
'People don't want the government in the driver's seat . . . They don't want the decisions (about their treatment) made in Capitol hearing rooms with a bunch of legislators in dark suits." So says Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden of the Healthy Americans Act, his plan for compromise in the polarized politics of healthcare reform.

Mr. Wyden, slouched amiably on his office sofa with his long legs on the coffee table, looks awfully relaxed for a man in the middle of the battle over health-care reform. On the day before our meeting, the political calculus shifted: The Congressional Budget Office predicted that the bill from the Senate Finance Committee would increase the federal budget deficit by $1.6 trillion over the next 10 years. Worse for Democrats, the astronomical price tag would still leave millions of people uninsured.

The news changed the views of some who had begun to see a bigger government role in medicine as inevitable. It also shifted attention to less-radical approaches, like the one Mr. Wyden is co-sponsoring with Utah Republican Bob Bennett.

"The country has bailout fatigue," Mr. Wyden explains. "The Congressional Budget Office said our proposal was budget neutral in the short term and that it would essentially start bending the cost curve downward in the third year."

The plans favored by Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy or President Barack Obama rely on a "public option" in which government insurance would supposedly "compete" with private insurers, a move many see as leading to a single-payer system. By contrast, the Wyden-Bennett Healthy Americans Act relies on the private insurance market while imposing a series of regulations to squeeze savings from the private sector. It also requires individuals to buy coverage for themselves, the controversial "individual mandate."

The idea, Mr. Wyden says, is to harness the Democratic desire to get everyone covered to the Republican interest in markets and consumer choice. "Everything I've been up to with this coalition is designed to make reconciliation irrelevant," he explains, referring to a political maneuver whereby Democrats might try to force through health reform on a bare majority of 51 votes rather than the filibuster-proof 60 votes normally required.

"People can't be tricked into fixing health care." If you want to bring the country together, he continues, you have to aim for 70 votes and the kind of bipartisan strength that the Healthy Americans Act has with 14 senators sponsoring the bill. "If you . . . just pound it through on a partisan vote, you don't have that kind of consensus. You have people practically as soon as the ink is dry looking to have it repealed."

Mr. Wyden knows he is walking a wobbly tightrope between the factions. At Oregon town-hall meetings six years ago, he remembers, "you'd have a bunch of people get up and talk about single payer, and a lot of applause." He claps to demonstrate. Then someone else would say, "We don't want that, we had a cousin who lived in Canada, they had to come to the U.S. to get treated because they couldn't get good care. And then both of these groups would look sullenly at each other."

When he first approached Bob Bennett in early 2007 about a compromise plan based on the kind of coverage members of Congress get, he got a similarly unenthused response. Mr. Wyden puts on a deep, croaky Bob Bennett voice and repeats words that Mr. Bennett would later use to characterize his reaction: "I told Ron Wyden I'd look at his proposal." Smiling, Mr. Wyden says, "As Senator Bennett describes it, that's the closest thing you get in the United States Senate to a 'no.'"

Mr. Bennett ultimately came around to the idea, but a lot of Republicans remained dubious. "People kind of looked at him like it was all a kind of big socialist plot. And he basically said, get over it, they've got a point."

"Both parties have come a long way," says Mr. Wyden. "The most conservative Republicans accept the idea that they didn't accept in '93, that you've got to cover everybody to organize the market," he says. "If you don't . . . there's too much cost-shifting, not enough prevention." And some Democrats are seeing the wisdom of a market system where people will benefit if they make wise selections about their care.

Mr. Wyden takes a long view: "Ever since the 1940s, we essentially disconnected individuals from being involved in health care. It's all about third parties, and they pay all the bills and individuals don't have the opportunities for the choices. In fact, millions of people who are lucky enough to have employer coverage don't get any choice."

Which brings us back to dealing with the price tag of reform. Mr. Wyden is in the hot seat because his plan would convert the current tax exclusion for health benefits into a tax deduction for individuals to make insurance more portable. But taxing health benefits was pilloried on the campaign trail by Barack Obama, and the opponents have kept after it. "I think the way to go," Mr. Wyden says, "is with a generous deduction that sends a market-oriented message." He says that means that, if you shop carefully for your health care, you're going to get your taxes cut.

The typical family of four spends about $13,000 a year for their health care for the year, he says. In the Healthy Americans plan, they set the deduction at $19,000. "If you get a deduction of between $17,000 and $19,000 for a middle-class family of four . . . now spends $13,000 on health care, we've got a chance to give millions of people . . . more money in their wallet because they got a chance to shop in a new system driven by informed choice and financial incentives to make those choices."

The tax aspects of the Wyden plan have nonetheless earned him the wrath of some Democrats as well as labor unions that carry fully loaded benefits plans and benefit from the current tax exemption. Some unions have even taken out ads against him in his home state of Oregon. As a powerful Democratic interest group, their objections have caused other would-be health-care reformers to capitulate. Montana Democrat and Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus has said his own health reform plan will create a union carve-out.

Is Mr. Wyden surprised by the opposition his proposal has generated from the left? "Let's take it one at a time," he tells me. "First, there's a pretty good cross section of Democrats on this bill. Arlen Specter of course is now a Democrat." Other supporters include Debbie Stabenow, Mary Landrieu, Bill Nelson.

And Labor? Unions have every right to bargain for the best possible package, he says. "But nobody, be it a CEO or a labor member ought to be getting what amounts to gold-plated coverage with the tax subsidies paid for by somebody who is a modestly compensated woman at a small business who doesn't have a health plan."

Breaking with the Democratic orthodoxy has earned him a few cold stares in other areas as well, including the plan's treatment of Medicaid and malpractice reform. The Healthy Americans Act transitions poor people out of Medicaid and will give them choices of private plans like members of Congress, he says. "We've taken a lot of flak for it . . . but Medicaid is a caste system. It is unfair to poor people and it is unfair to taxpayers." The system, he says, makes it hard for physicians to take care of the most vulnerable in society.

In a speech to the American Medical Association this week, Mr. Obama also opened the door to the possibility of malpractice reform, something Messrs. Wyden and Bennett support to help keep costs down. Democrats always blame the insurance companies, says Mr. Wyden, and Republicans always blame the trial lawyers. Insurance companies "are going to compete on the basis of price, benefit and quality," he insists. But a new system also requires "tough malpractice reforms."

The problem of spiraling costs is on display in Massachusetts, where a universal coverage plan started under former Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican, is proving more of a cautionary tale than the inspiration Democrats would like to call it. "I've gone and met with the Massachusetts folks," Mr. Wyden says, and "cost containment is the Achilles heel."

Using government health programs to try to find savings in the short term is problematic, he says, as it leads to inevitable concerns about rationing of care. "If you try to go the government route, the danger is you will find savings that are not realized with massive new commitments, and that's a prescription for trouble."

Mr. Obama has endorsed a public option, though the commitment has lately come under renewed doubt from Democrats. Former Majority Leader Tom Daschle, who was once Mr. Obama's nominee to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, this week endorsed a compromise plan. Partnering with fellow former majority leaders Bob Dole and Howard Baker, Mr. Daschle's idea would seek a compromise on the public option, letting states establish programs with help from the federal government. North Dakota Sen. Kent Conrad has likewise questioned whether Democrats could muster enough votes for a public option.

Mr. Wyden has been meeting with the president on the issue, so is Mr. Obama committed to the public option, I wonder? Mr. Wyden won't tell, but directs me instead to review Mr. Obama's book, "The Audacity of Hope." In it, he says, "he talked about a system like what we're talking about in the Healthy Americans Act."

A single-payer solution is just not the Oregon senator's cup of tea. "I've never even understood how you would get there from here," he says. "A lot of the people who are for a public option want a single-payer system, and they haven't minced any words about it. Bless their hearts, extra points for honesty. But that's not where I am."

Mr. Wyden isn't necessarily opposed to a public option, he says, provided the caveats that it "can hold costs down and deal with the misguided incentives." So would he vote for the public option if it came to that?

"I'll look at it," he smiles. "I think I have an obligation as a legislator." Just like Bob Bennett used to say.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124545885464333145.html

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It's worth noting that many of the Senators who have signed on to support Wyden's bill (see the bolded section) are the same ones who aren't supporting the public option.
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