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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:36 PM
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DID YOU EVER WANT TO BE PART OF A REVOLUTION? FIGHTING THE 'GOOD' FIGHT? SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE
NEEDS YOU.

The health care industry (especially Insurers and Big Pharma) are moving all their troops (lobbyists) into their battle to protect billions in profits and a health care system that is among the least efficient in the industrialize world. Of course, their most powerful lobbyists are those who hold positions in the government, the Republicans, WHO SAY SINGLE PAYER HEALTH-CARE IS "OFF THE TABLE".

How do you like these $%#$@# &#@&#$-ers working FOR the Insurance companies and against the interests of the entire population AND our economy?

If we continue with the system we have now it will break the Government and weaken our economy -- billions going to administrative costs and profits of the Insurers and Pharmaceutical companies in the most inefficient system that could be devised ... multiple insurers duplicating costs (plus profits) which would not be duplicated (and minus the profits) with ONE INSURER.

The argument AGAINST this system is simple and unassailable. The current system costs more and delivers less - in terms of health care (in terms of profits for insurers and Big Pharma it's great!). But is that what the health care system is for? ... to generate profits for some companies for an inefficient way to provide health care? WE need better health care AND we could really use all that money wasted on inefficiency elsewhere - suchas paying for health care instead of profits to Insurance companies.


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090610_why_so_scared_of_a_public_plan">Here is a good article on the single payer system and the forces marshalled against it.

But the same arguments that have distorted the debate over health care will emerge again—especially the claim that private insurance is somehow more efficient than a public program would be, or that we cannot “afford” a public plan.

The opposite is true, as surprising as that may seem. During the decade that ended in 2006, to cite just one set of relevant statistics, the level of health spending per head (for similar benefits) grew 4.6 percent annually under Medicare, while spending under private health insurance rose by 7.3 percent. For many years, in fact, Medicare has performed better at controlling costs than private insurance companies.

One reason is simple and obvious: Eliminating profits for shareholders and management cuts out a major cost factor.

Another is less obvious: Private insurers consistently spend more on overhead and administration than Medicare
. To anyone who shares the broad prejudice against government, the difference will be startling, although these numbers are very well known to health experts. The average overhead cost of Medicare is roughly 2 or 3 percent, far below the administrative costs of private insurers, which range between 27 and 40 percent.



If enough people send emails to Congress and the White House DEMANDING A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM things COULD CHANGE.. If enough of us speak up, we CAN have an affect. Surely, this is something worth fighting for.

NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO HAVE AN IMPACT. GET IN THE FIGHT. IT'S YOUR FIGHT.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/">White House contact page

Congress.org where you enter your zip code and the site returns your Senators and Representatives. You enter your email and the site sends it for you. EASY!
When you get your Senators and Representatives, click on the one and get then click on the "contact" tab. Select compose your own letter among the options and click on "NEXT Step". Then type your message into the input field.


To give you some ideas here is sample message:
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The Honorable _________;

The United States cannot afford the current health care system of multiple insurers duplicating costs and profits. We must have a Universal Health Care system where the Government acts as the single insurer. This will eliminate duplication of administrative costs and private insurer profits and make the money saved available for what it should be used for -- paying for professional health care services and medicine. All citizens should be insured and the Government will negotiate with the Pharmaceutical firms for reasonable bulk pricing of prescription drugs. Thus, the Government would be acting like any cost conscious businessman would (as many in Congress have urged it should).

It is clear that the current system of private insurers cannot be maintained. It will break the Government's budget while providing some of the worst health care in the industrialized world. I expect you to act in the best interests of the people you represent.






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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:46 PM
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1. To hear Obama today he kept saying Medicare and Medicaid are what is the biggest cost of govenrment
of all expenses. He said this at least three times. Why does he want the people to think that.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:14 PM
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2. You are saying he's lieing?

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Yunomi Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:26 PM
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3. Well, does it cost more
than our war(s)? Seriously asking, I don't know... I would think waging war costs more than Medicare.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:32 PM
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4. I thought he would say wars but he kept saying Medicare/caid were the most
expensive. Not Iraq I thought.

And I never said he was a liar! (this is for the post above yours). I said what he said several times. Did you watch the Town Hall in WI today?
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:55 PM
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5. Sorry, I thought you knew he was wrong. Here is the link to the Congressional Budget Office website:
http://www.cbo.gov/Spreadsheets.shtml

next to "The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2009 to 2019", click on: "Spreadsheets"

When the Excel spreadsheet comes up, click on the "Mandatory Outlays" tab (at bottom of sheet).


You'll see that Medicaid and Medicare for 2009 add to $718 Billion.

Click on "Defense; NonDef. discretionery" Tab.


You'll see that Defense Outlays for 2009 comes to $644 Billion.


Estimates for Medicare and Medicaid for future years is what Obama (and everybody else) is really concerned about. Medicare and Medicaid are projected to increase faster than anything else in the budget.






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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 06:10 PM
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6. Then why do I keep reading that Medicare for all would be the cheaper way of going on healthcare.
Is it that the insurance industry costs are much higher than Medicare?
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:23 PM
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8. did you read my OP??????? Honestly, you're making me get depressed!
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:01 PM
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11. My point is that Obama was making it seem that Medicare for all would be far more expensive than
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 11:07 PM by bkkyosemite
privately run insurance companies. He didn't say that but that's what he was wanting people to think. That we can't possibly go with HR 676 because Medicare is already the most expensive. He should have said Medicare is the biggest expense in our budget but private insurance is costing us much more than our current Medicare system. He was very careful to say public option along with insurance company's. He doesn't want to shock the insurance lobbies tempers it seems. He stated during his campaign that he was for Universal care and single payer...not now....I'm angry about that.

Didn't mean to depress you. My wording or thoughts did not come acrossed in the best way.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:49 PM
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10. Isn't obama asking for another $100 Billion for the Wars?
Wouldn't that bring the War tab up to $744 Billion?
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:59 PM
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13. NOw your talking about the next time period - Medicare & Medicaid estimate @ $1.3 Trill 2010
checking at OMB link cited above. Whether Defense or Healthcare is 1 or 2 , healthcare as it is, is going will break the budget. Universal healthcare through the private sector is ... well, a NON-sequitor. It just is not logical. We need a singlre payer siystem and we do NOT need profit making entities draining off money that should go for professional medical services and medicine.

The point is (as stated in the article referenced in OP) it is more efficient and therefor CHEAPER to have a single peyer system. Medicare and Medicaid averaged 4% for administrative costs whereas the private insurance firms drained off 30% or more for administrtative costs (I think that may include profits) for private insurance plans.


CBO spreadsheets

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:00 AM
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12. US military spending is about $1 trillion a year
Just to keep things in perspective...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
As of 2009, the United States government is spending about $1 trillion annually on defense-related purposes.

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm



HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED

Current military” includes Dept. of Defense ($653 billion), the military portion from other departments ($150 billion), and an additional $162 billion to supplement the Budget’s misleading and vast underestimate of only $38 billion for the “war on terror.” “Past military” represents veterans’ benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.*

These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the “Analytical Perspectives” book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009. The figures are federal funds, which do not include trust funds — such as Social Security — that are raised and spent separately from income taxes. What you pay (or don’t pay) by April 15, 2008, goes to the federal funds portion of the budget. The government practice of combining trust and federal funds began during the Vietnam War, thus making the human needs portion of the budget seem larger and the military portion smaller.

*Analysts differ on how much of the debt stems from the military; other groups estimate 50% to 60%. We use 80% because we believe if there had been no military spending most (if not all) of the national debt would have been eliminated. For further explanation, please see box at bottom of page.

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:19 PM
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7. President Obama is not a proponent of single payer, despite his former speeches.
Medicare and Medicaid do not touch military spending and he knows it. Is he going to say that with his wars to pay for? Single payer will save the American taxpayer billions and help reenergize the economy, but Obama has his advisors and his campaign contributors to consider. Is Obama already a puppet of the corporate world? He is not proposing change in any area that I can find.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:32 PM
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9. you are right he's not fighting for single payer. But that's why I urge people to

email Congress and demand single payer.


Obama thinks he can't get single payer. That pisses me off. He's giving up before even joining the fight.

CBO site shows Medicare and Medicaid larger than Defense http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=455594&mesg_id=455617

but either way healthcare costs are huge. We need a single payer system and I am ticked off Obama has given in without a fight.

I hold out hope if people deluge Congress with emails and letters we can get single payer universal health care. It is the only sensible way to go. We are in agreement on that.


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