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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 05:54 AM
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Does the Right Want a Civil War?
Does the Right Want a Civil War?

Posted by Sara Robinson, Orcinus at 10:50 AM on June 13, 2009.

People are being shot dead at the rate of several per month now. And it's figures on the Right that are putting the killers up to it.


Dear Conservatives:

Your fellow Americans demand an answer -- and we want it now. Just one simple question:

Are you deliberately trying to start a civil war?

Just answer the question. Yes or no. Don't insult us with elisions, evasions, dithering, qualifications, or conditional answers. We need to know what your intentions are -- and we need to know NOW. People are being shot dead in the streets of America at the rate of several per month now. You may not want responsibility for this -- but the whackadoodles pulling the triggers make no bones about who put them up to this.

You did.

The assassins themselves are ratting you out. They're telling us, straight up, that they were inspired to act by the hate radio talkers that you empowered -- one of whom is now the de facto head of the Republican party. They got it from media outlets owned by your biggest donors. They got it from bloggers who receive daily talking points faxed in from the GOP. They got it from activists representing causes that would have never become causes in the first place if the issues hadn't been politically expedient for you.

Beyond that: You've already admitted your own complicity.

When the Department of Homeland Security expressed their worries about right-wing extremist violence last April, practically every conservative pundit in the country went into a righteous fit. DHS never named anyone directly, so it was astonishing how many of you on the right were so quick to step up and claim that that memo was slandering you, personally and collectively. Since you were so eager to claim that that memo was all about you, now that the violence has come to pass, we're well justified in holding you to that.

And please don't insult our intelligence by saying that these acts are the work of lone wolves, and that you don't have anything to do with this, and that it's all the fault of the left. It's true that there have always been crazies in our midst. But by choosing to gain power through a politics that only motivates through hate and fear, you've recruited a good-sized army of those crazies, armed them up, and turned them into paranoid monsters that are now running loose on the American landscape.

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http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/140623/does_the_right_want_a_civil_war/
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 05:57 AM
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1. Either Civil War, or Cover For All the Crimes BushCo Committed
If the nutjobs can provide diversion, the big rats can get away...got to think that there's some serious packing going on this week. The Big Ones got to get away NOW, it's all blowing up in their faces.

I think we need something like Germany's hate speech laws, too. There's serious abuse of the First Amendment going on, a Nazi invention, by the way.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 06:10 AM
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2. They have been talking about a civil war since well before the
election in '08. They thought Clinton would be the President at that time, and I think they were really stunned when Obama not only won, but wiped them out in many states they counted on. They never really planned on a black president, and I think they are waiting for most white Americans to rise up against the socialist demon from Africa.

They are very fucking crazy, but they all read each other's opinions and they tend to believe them - they think they have a large following, when they really don't.

mark
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 06:20 AM
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3. Yes (as long as we don't shoot back)....
This has been another episode of Simple Answers To Simple Questions.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 06:39 AM
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4. The Right if for anything that disrupts the agenda of any political party
other than their own. If a Civil War would do that, then yes.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 06:42 AM
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5. TPTB are trying to start *something*. It's obvious from the hate speech
blatting out of the M$M that RW nutjobs are being encouraged to go apeshit. I don't think they'll get the race war they want. While there are still many virulent racists around, it seems most of America has moved on from race hatred.
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N.Y. to Paris Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:26 AM
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6. They're still "stuck" in the civil war
These people believe that the movie "Blazing Saddles" is a documentary. They truly are the Johnsons....
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:27 AM
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7. Be careful what you wish for, right wingers
The American Civil War was brought about because the conservative Southerners wanted to maintain their outmoded classist agrarian system in the face of rapid industrialization of the North. The force of history was on the side of industrialization, and the antebellum South was doomed to extinction. The War merely made the transition much more agonizing than it needed to be--and even though the rich plantation owners tried their best to literally make it a "rich man's war, poor man's fight" through draft laws that discriminated in favor of large slave owners and the wealthy, by and large the wealthy lost much of their wealth through emancipation and destruction of property.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:34 AM
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8. They didn't lose as much wealth as you think, ayeshahaqqiqa. The richest folks in my
home town in North Carolina were the same landowners and mill owners who owned those mills and plantations before the war. As usual, the rich mostly escape the ravages of war while the poor bear the brunt.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 01:41 PM
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11. It really depended upon the area
Ask folks in Georgia from, say, Atlanta to the sea. Also landowners in Mississippi. But you are right--some rich Southerners escaped with their wealth--and their arrogant attitude.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:37 AM
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9. It does look that way, especially when you include the rush on gun sales
right after the election. People were encouraged to arm themselves and stock up on ammo to the point that some places were reporting ammo shortages, weren't they?

I'm sure there are other factors, but it sure looks bad in hindsight now, doesn't it?
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:59 AM
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10. Bring it on
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:17 PM
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12. NPR!
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 02:18 PM by Enthusiast
I just listened to a program on NPR. The hosts and guests (three) took the position that it is both the right wing and left wing are involved in the violence. They claimed that these killers were not specifically "right wing". The discussion was so distorted and one sided that I might as well have been listening to Rush Limbaugh except that the guests behaved and acted more civil. The host was clearly of the right political perspective. The MSM has completely sold out, even NPR.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 08:37 PM
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13. Yea, these are the same poeple who claim Hitler was left wing
NPR is worthless!
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 09:04 PM
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14. You think the RW will be reading your post or what?
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