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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:48 PM Original message |
OBAMA...."The Shuffle President".......Matt Bai |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Ooooh Don't go there... |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yeah...ya' gotta' wonder about the choice of words sometimes... |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I think it was deliberate. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. No way was that accidental. n/t |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. You don't know that. n/t |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Let the author explain and clarify then. n/t |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. It seemed that the article's content was the explanation. n/t |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. the article's content was the excuse to use the word |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I'm quite aware of double entendre; just not convinced words are always used with that intent. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The author makes a living from using words |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Or...he thought it an acceptable use of the term for the article he was writing. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. When the man is a word smith? |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Although I recognize that racism is alive and well in America |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Go with God then |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Go with God. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Indeed! |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I'm sure we will! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
79. No one who really understood the context could think it was an acceptable |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
72. The Times pours over every word and it's meaning. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. That was exactly my reaction. I'm disgusted. n/t |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. He was talking about "Shuffle" on our "I-Pods" ...just in case you misinterpreted it.. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I read the whole thing |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. You could Google his other writings if you have "true concerns." n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. The editor makes the headlines, as I understand it. He should share the blame. n/t |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Exactly - The blame is on the NYT |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
45. If you are pissed off at the writer of the article check out his other work...it's linked there. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Doesn't matter. That word has a strong connotation -- it carries a great deal |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I have to say, maybe it's a generational thing, but that imagery still resonates |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. I'm sure it would resonate with Obama. He's not too young to be ignorant |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. The big finish is pretty shitty too--on the lines of "Whatever he does, it won't be enough." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
83. "Too cool for school." That he is! Or at least Bai, in his smug cynicism, |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Of course. Didn't anyone notice his reaction to the Gates thing? |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. I don't have a CLUE what |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. Who's whistling for that old dog, ya gotta wonder? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Just the title alone jolted me. Like something out of Faux news. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. The old "shock value" to get your attention, followed by the "Tut, tut, now, now.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
75. The only way someone of Obama's age is likely to know about the ipod Shuffle |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Didn't read the article...did ya...one of those "Subject Line Trolls?" |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I read the whole article, and the excuse is bullshit |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:24 PM Original message |
So...what do you think of what he wrote about...the issues he discussed? |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
23. I think it was a lame excuse to explain away the use of the word |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. You still didn't address what he wrote. Just trashed the author as some latent racist. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. What is there to say about the article, other than is was a vacuous reference |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Here, let me address it. I read the whole thing, and the Big Finish, as I said upthread, is horse |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. What I got out the article is that Obama is very able at "Multi-Tasking" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. No, I didn't get that. The tasks Obama takes on are sequential, no matter what. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. Another thing that Stepin fetchit is known for is telling long narratives |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
28. The whole article is tainted by the extended metaphor. It's impossible |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Can you do a "point by point." I'm one of those clueless DU'ers who needs stuff spelled out in |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
61. There are three references to our Black President shuffling, and several to story-telling -- |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Oh for heavens sake ...you don't see that you are attacking a fellow DU'er |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I'm not attacking you personally at all, and I wonder why you're taking it that way. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. You don't get it. The headline is ENOUGH, since it refers to an African American. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. So you think Matt Bai is writing an article so folks like you can trash him and cost him his job? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
78. Not necessarily. Maybe he made a mistake and his editors were careless and didn't catch it. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
52. No... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. You hold him to the standards of his Editor? You can't read beyond subject or title? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. You know how some people say: "That's so gay" and then pretend that that |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 07:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
86. I said NOTHING |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. Very poor choice of words. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I-Pod....Shuffle? Or do you still have a 45 record player? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I still have a hi-fi and vinyl records. And I like 'em, too. NT |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. So do I but I know what a "shuffle is" and I do own an I-Pod...along with my |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Just to be clear, I am not accusing you of racial insensitivity |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Check out Bai's other articles on NYT before you throw the first stone at him, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
82. It doesn't matter if he wrote the lyrics to "We Are The World." or hangs out |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. No one is accusing you of being racist. But the writer of that article, and the editor, |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
47. Well, gee, I know what an iPod is, too--and I know what this pile of horseshit is, as well. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I WISH I still had my 5' stack of vinyl; I could probably take a very nice vacation from the proceed |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I hear that E-Bay sales of those 45/s are way down. No one wants them anymore... |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Hah! Eight-tracks! They filled up my back seat! |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. When they "Unwound" the cats would have fits over the FUN! |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. LOL...me too! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. I've got most of Elvis's stuff! nt |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Do you have "That's Alright Mama?" It's a prize of mine... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I would have to look, but I think I do. I have jacket covers and most liners, but |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. "That's Alright Mama," was his first hit. Then came "Heartbreak Hotel" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Did you ever study poetry? Writers often use words with more than one connotation, |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. So you think that Matt Bai is a Racist who got published in NYT to |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
48. I find it impossible to believe that choice of words did not raise the eyebrow |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. So you feel his "Obama the Negro Shuffler" (your title) should have been banned? |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. If he isn't, I am |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. As I said up thread...I'm sort of clueless and need "Bullet Points" spelled out. Please do... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. At the very least, the title should have been changed. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. See my post #63 above to see your answer. |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. No - not my title. Simply saying that the Times published that purposely. |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
84. did Buchanan write this for Bai? |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
85. I never heard the term shuffle being used in any other form except cards and ipod |
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Daveparts (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
87. If you read the whole article |
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