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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:04 AM
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Cowardice Among 'Christian' Leaders: Why the Churches Are Largely Mum on Torture
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Cowardice Among 'Christian' Leaders: Why the Churches Are Largely Mum on Torture

By Ray McGovern, Consortium News. Posted August 1, 2009.

Who but the cowardly crew leading the "Christian" churches can be held responsible for the fact that many of their flock believe in torture?




Anyone harboring doubts that the institutional Church is riding shotgun for the system, even regarding heinous sin like torture, should be chastened by the results of a recent survey by the Pew Research Center.

Who but the cowardly crew leading the "Christian" churches can be held responsible for the fact that many of their flock believe torture of suspected terrorists is "justified?"

Those polled were white non-Hispanic Catholics, white Evangelicals, and white mainline Protestants. A majority (54 percent) of those who attend church regularly said torture could be "justified," while a majority of those not attending church regularly responded that torture was rarely or never justified.

I am not a psychologist or sociologist. But I recall that one of the first things Hitler did on assuming power was to ensure there was a pastor in every Lutheran and Catholic parish in Germany. Why? Because he calculated, correctly, that here would be a force for stability for his regime.

Thus began another horrid chapter in the history of those professing to be followers of Jesus of Nazareth but had forgotten his repeated admonition, Do not be afraid. ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/belief/141714/cowardice_among_%27christian%27_leaders%3A_why_the_churches_are_largely_mum_on_torture_/





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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:16 AM
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1. Amen
Edited on Sat Aug-01-09 07:24 AM by panzerfaust
Suggested further reading -

Vicars of Christ: the Dark Side of the Papacy
by Peter De Rosa

This looks at the evolution of the Roman Catholic Papacy, from which ultimately springs most modern forms of Christianity - oft mirrored by reaction.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:47 AM
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2. American Christianity is more Taliban than Christ.
They have defiled their own faith.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 08:22 AM
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3. The majority of them are into torture and bigotry
and the best among them are into silence.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:37 AM
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4. The first thing I thought of when I read the headline...
was Nazi Germany, and there it is in paragraph 3. It's very troubling.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:46 AM
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5. This statement is far too simplistic....The Christian Church is not monolithic...
Not every expression of the Christian Church falls into the arms of the vatican,
nor the reactive 'Christian' right that embraces the conservative repubican agenda.

The horror of how the GERMAN Lutheran Church (NOT the American) ignored
the holocaust, and was Hitler's lapdog, was a warning shot to the Lutheran
expression of the Church. Part of Lutheran teaching says that the civil
authorities are the 'left hand of God working in the world.' BUT..
conveniently ignored when embracing that teaching, is also the teaching that
'when the civil authorities ignore the plights of the poor and needy, the church
is impelled to speak the prophetic voice of justice.'

Here are a few statements about torture from the ELCA branch of Lutheranism-
the liberal branch of the Lutheran Church...
(the other branches of Lutheranism in the US are the LCMS and the WELS, both
very conservative and biblicly literalistic)-

http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/Social-Issues/Journal-of-Lutheran-Ethics/Issues/September-2004/Turn-Abu-Ghraib-Inside-Out.aspx

http://www.elca.org/Our-Faith-In-Action/Justice/Advocacy/Issues/Human-Dignity-and-Human-Rights/Torture-and-Detention.aspx

http://archive.elca.org/globalmission/policy/hr.html


The UCC (United Church of Christ) is another liberal protestant expression of the
church in the US, and has also statements (and witness) against torture:

http://www.ucc.org/justice/uccagainsttorture/pastoral-epistle-final.pdf


The Episcopal Church in the US has issued this statement of
church unity against torture:
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3654_104197_ENG_HTM.htm

Sadly, the media limits the voices of the Church to either
the Roman Catholic, or the conservative christians.
Liberal voices of justice are rarely heard, and thus
the vast Christian Church is seen by the world as
denying the justice it is called to proclaim.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:11 PM
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7. I'm kicking and recommending the thread, but I believe you make a good point. n/t
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:38 PM
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9. These same denominations came out against the Iraq War and
for either single-payer health care or a public option, but if the media covered their statements at all, it was in a little filler article.

Ordinary mainstream Christians saying common-sense things aren't as "newsworthy" as neo-Puritans and retro Catholics saying outrageous things.
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 11:01 AM
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6. Same as it ever was
Mark Twain once described the Ku Klux Klan as hooded gangs of church going murderers
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:36 PM
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8. Torture and the Rule of Law- America Magazine
How’s this for speaking out? This is from the current issue of America Magazine the Jesuit weekly. Oh I forgot- Catholics aren’t Christians and certainly not Jesuits. :sarcasm:

Legal Obligations- The Proper Role of White House Lawyers by William Treanor (Dean of Fordham University School of Law)
Underlying the torture memo and other memoranda was a stunningly broad theory of executive power. “In wartime,” the memo states, “it is for the President alone to decide what methods to use to best prevail against the enemy.” The memo reflects an approach under which the president even has the power to disregard statutes governing the military or the conduct of war.

This conception of presidential power is at odds with the Constitution. While the drafters of the Constitution made the president the commander in chief of the armed forces, they also gave Congress great powers in military and foreign affairs, including the power to declare war. This constitutional framework is one of shared authority, and governing judicial precedent reflects that understanding. The torture memo ignored all this as its authors single-mindedly pressed an expansive view of presidential power.

What made the torture memo and similar memos authorizing war-related actions by agents of the executive branch even more of a threat to the constitutional order and the rule of law is that they were secret. Congress had no way of knowing that the executive branch was disregarding U.S. law. There are three crucial steps needed to protect the rule of law.

http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=11796

Truth and Consequences – The Case for a Commission on Torture by David Cole (Professor at Georgetown Law School – Author of “The Torture Memos: Rationalizing the Unthinkable” release date Sept, 2009)

We know already that U.S. officials up to and including Vice President Dick Cheney authorized waterboarding. We also know that lawyers in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, including Jay Bybee, John Yoo, Daniel Levin and Stephen Bradbury, wrote memoranda that gave a green light to pthe practice by arguing that waterboarding does not constitute torture, of even cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. President Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, and C.I.A. Director Leon Panetta have all since conceded what the world already knew – that waterboarding is in fact torture.

As a leagl matter, the United States is compelled by the U.N. Convention Against Torture, a binding treaty that we ratified in 1988, to “submit the case to competent authorities for the purpose of prosecution.”

http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=11797

No Excuses – Our Obligation to Prosecute Human Rights Violations by Mary Ellen O’Connell (Robert and Marion Short Chair in Law and Research Professor of International Disput Resolutin – Kroc Institute, University of Notre Dame, author of “The Power and Purpose of International Law”)

Our nation is a party to these and other treaties prohibiting torture and mandating investigation and prosecution.

We know that high officials in the Bush administration violated these treaties. We have unimpeachable documents confirming that individuals taken into custiody since Sept. 11, 2001, were waterboarded and worse. The controversy over whether waterboarding is torture is entirely specious. In fact, the United States has prosecuted Japanese military personnel at the end of World War II, American soldiers during the Philippine Insurrection, (1902-13) and others for waterboarding.

Investigating and prosecuting such crimes is obligatory; it is not a “witch hunt,” as some charge. Nor is it something optional- a matter of “prosecutorial discretion”—that the president may choose to forgo.

http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=11798


Torture and the Rule of Law
The Editors | AUGUST 3, 2009

Torture, detention without trial, secret surveillance of citizens, power to strip citizens’ rights on suspicion of terrorism—the list of alleged misdeeds by the Bush administration in its so-called war on terror is highly troubling, reminiscent of the abuses for which the American colonies declared independence from Britain. For months debate has stirred on how the nation should address these violations of civil liberties and discipline the officials responsible for them. America has asked three distinguished lawyers to make the case for one of three alternatives: taking preventive action, convoking a blue-ribbon committee of inquiry or bringing criminal charges.

http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=11795
The editors inviet comments – use this link:
http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=11795&comments
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