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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:20 PM
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Nuremberg and the Torture Memos: An American Dilemma
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2009/08/nuremberg-and-torture-memos-american.php"> Nuremberg and the Torture Memos: An American Dilemma

JURIST Guest Columnist James Friedman of the University of Maine School of Law says that despite the potential political cost to President Obama of investigating the torture memos released by the former Bush administration, failure to act on the memos may take an even more costly toll on our identity and well-being as a nation.

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One often comes across references to the “Nuremberg principles.” While there is no fixed meaning to this phrase, I think it is most often used to connote that neither official governmental office nor superior orders constitutes a defense to charges of war crimes or crimes against humanity.

At a philosophical level Nuremberg represents a rejection of the Germans’ defense of legal positivism. To put it simply, the Tribunal held that Nazi offenses were so egregious that even if they were “legal” when committed under the law of the Third Reich, the defendants should have known that mass murder and other atrocities were contrary to the “law of civilized nations.”

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I realize the enormous political cost to the Obama administration of a public inquiry or criminal investigation of officials of the previous administration. The dilemma is that to ignore U.S. memos authorizing torture may do greater damage to our identity and well-being as a nation. To paraphrase Justice Brandeis, we would be tacitly endorsing “men of zeal without understanding.”




Tacitly endorsing = driving the torture getaway car.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:23 PM
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1. The American ruling class has decided that there will be no prosecutions
and no investigation into the crimes committed during the Bush/Cheney regime. As an agent of the ruling class, Obama (or any other President, Democrat or Republican), cannot go against the people that really own the country.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:25 PM
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2. Tacitly endorsing = Left behind holding the bag
But I get your point, and I agree.

America's reputation in the world is at stake.


Either we believe in the rule of law, or we accept moral relativism.

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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:50 PM
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4. Not really. There are no bystanders here.
The duty is an affirmative one -- to abide by and enforce the laws and treaty obligations our greater generations fought and died to forge.

Failure of any gov't official to address even the suggestion of torture and war crimes http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE53H1Y020090418">is a war crime in itself. These bag holders, or rather bag grabbers, may well be earning themselves a seat on the bus to The Hague.

But more importantly, their legalization of torture (via non-prosecution) is far more damaging to our once-great nation that even the atrocities of the torturers themselves.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:15 AM
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3. K&R
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