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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:57 AM
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NYT: This is Reform? Herbert OpEd 8/17/09
This Is Reform?
By BOB HERBERT
Published: August 17, 2009

It’s never a contest when the interests of big business are pitted against the public interest. So if we manage to get health care “reform” this time around it will be the kind of reform that benefits the very people who have given us a failed system, and thus made reform so necessary.

Forget about a crackdown on price-gouging drug companies and predatory insurance firms. That’s not happening. With the public pretty well confused about what is going on, we’re headed — at best — toward changes that will result in a lot more people getting covered, but that will not control exploding health care costs and will leave industry leaders feeling like they’ve hit the jackpot.

The hope of a government-run insurance option is all but gone. So there will be no effective alternative for consumers in the market for health coverage, which means no competitive pressure for private insurers to rein in premiums and other charges. (Forget about the nonprofit cooperatives. That’s like sending peewee footballers up against the Super Bowl champs.)

Insurance companies are delighted with the way “reform” is unfolding. Think of it: The government is planning to require most uninsured Americans to buy health coverage. Millions of young and healthy individuals will be herded into the industry’s welcoming arms. This is the population the insurers drool over.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/opinion/18herbert.html?th&emc=th
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:05 AM
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1. I'm completely disgusted
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:17 AM
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2. So different from Krugman's column in the Times yesterday
... which, very oddly, nobody posted or discussed. The column in which he said, essentially, that although a public option in the exchange would be better, no public option would be like the Swiss system, which works ... and that it would be vastly better than what we have now.

My head hurts, because I don't even know who to believe anymore.

For those too lazy to open a link, from yesterday's Krugman:

Finally, the third route to universal coverage relies on private insurance companies, using a combination of regulation and subsidies to ensure that everyone is covered. Switzerland offers the clearest example: everyone is required to buy insurance, insurers can’t discriminate based on medical history or pre-existing conditions, and lower-income citizens get government help in paying for their policies.

In this country, the Massachusetts health reform more or less follows the Swiss model; costs are running higher than expected, but the reform has greatly reduced the number of uninsured. And the most common form of health insurance in America, employment-based coverage, actually has some “Swiss” aspects: to avoid making benefits taxable, employers have to follow rules that effectively rule out discrimination based on medical history and subsidize care for lower-wage workers.

So where does Obamacare fit into all this? Basically, it’s a plan to Swissify America, using regulation and subsidies to ensure universal coverage.
If we were starting from scratch we probably wouldn’t have chosen this route. True “socialized medicine” would undoubtedly cost less, and a straightforward extension of Medicare-type coverage to all Americans would probably be cheaper than a Swiss-style system. That’s why I and others believe that a true public option competing with private insurers is extremely important: otherwise, rising costs could all too easily undermine the whole effort.

But a Swiss-style system of universal coverage would be a vast improvement on what we have now. And we already know that such systems work.

So we can do this. At this point, all that stands in the way of universal health care in America are the greed of the medical-industrial complex, the lies of the right-wing propaganda machine, and the gullibility of voters who believe those lies.


Do we just not discuss articles that are inconvenient? Who do I listen to? I love Herbert, but then Krugman is the economist who should know something about how this works. Honestly, my head is going to split.

The only thing I can keep thinking is how riled up we all got when Bill Clinton signed the welfare reform bill. We felt it would put people's very lives at risk, that there would be children dying in the streets, that the apocalypse was near. And of course, it didn't really play out that dramatically at all.

Are we in the land of hyperbole on both sides now? Will we have the armageddon of insurance tyranny or just a little piece of Switzerland if no public option is passed? How the hell are we supposed to know? Anyone who claims they do know isn't being honest.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:21 AM
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3. we don't live in anything resembling a democracy
shysters,whores and puppets
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:10 AM
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4. I like comment #205:
"I would like to see Obama in Lincoln's shoes. If Obama was in the spot of having to end slavery with :change you can believe in" we would have wound up with town hall meetings with slaves arguing against change because they might lose their free housing, business interests agitating that government shouldn't interference in lawful contract involving cotton and the slave trade, southern plantation owners threatening to go out of business and stop providing cotton to the mills in the northeast, dire predictions that millions of slaves would be dumped on the government's doorstep, and an eventual compromise where slaves were given the right to choose their masters though co-ops, plantation owners were given tax credits for lost productivity, the cotton industry pledged to upgrade slave lunches, the northern moralists would have been left in a huff and puff sulk, and Obama would have shown he could bring people to together and not "govern from anger" or risk, you know, civil war to change anything." wmwarner USA
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:36 PM
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5. This deserves not to sink,
especially the overwhelming number of comments in favor of a public option or single payer AND the deep, sorrowful, angry disappointment at the mainstream Dems selling out to big business.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:44 PM
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6. This guy, Herbert, is obviously a disgruntled Obama hater who knows nothing about chess.
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