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BirminghamExaminer Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:21 PM
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Nothing new in political rhetoric from conservatives: Political Cartoons from 1939 and 1940
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1172-Progressive-Politics-Examiner~y2009m8d20-Nothing-new-in-politics-Political-Cartoons-from-1939-and-1940">I recently came across a bunch of political magazines from 1939 and 1940. Looking at political cartoons and ads, it became quite obvious that Conservatives were using the same rhetoric in 1939-40 that they use today. They were already fighting health care access for all, believe it or not! You can see the rest of the political cartoons and ads here. They're pretty enlightening really.

This first one looks like something Michele Bachmann made up, doesn't it? Only she wasn't born yet.



Here's one (below) I dedicate to Bill O'Reilly.



If you thought people weren't using scare tactics about the deficit back in 1939, think again:

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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:37 PM
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1. Nice find. Not much has changed on thier side.
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BirminghamExaminer Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:39 PM
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2. Thanks, you should see the ones about how the rest of the US was
picking on the south. Ho hum.
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VAliberal Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:40 PM
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3. awesome - thanks!
the rhetoric never changes
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BirminghamExaminer Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:45 PM
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4. When I saw all these, they actually made me feel better.
The rhetoric is the same, the way it was distributed was different. Tired old crap is all it is. We've been trying to get health care access for all Americans apparently at least since FDR. Can we FINALLY get this done? I hope so.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:28 PM
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5. Here's just one Google 'hit' on that anti-union bozo:
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 11:30 PM by pnorman
http://tinyurl.com/nvctc8

They can invoke no end of "moral, patriotic, and religious principles", but the bottom line is that they HATE unions and what they have accomplished (and will accomplish)!

pnorman
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BirminghamExaminer Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:59 AM
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6. Oh Debardeladen was a terrible man
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 01:01 AM by BirminghamExaminer
When I was in school (anthropology) and working in the industrial archaeology lab (boring stuff but it paid students well enough), we had his actual letters to colleagues and other business men. He was a terrible racist and if I remember correctly, he was one of those who had a "company store" that the poorest employees could use who lived in his company houses that had a trench out in front of their houses instead of a bathroom. The food and consumables that were required to live naturally took more than their paychecks and so they were all in debt to him while working themselves to death (quite literally in some cases).

That's why it didn't surprise me at all to see that he was the one who posted all the anti union, anti health, anti-new deal ads. There were some that I didn't put up that were even nastier. I can't remember if I put the WPA one up but I should have if I didn't. There were two actually. One depicted a guy asleep on a chair made from a shovel and some wood and it was captioned "Invention" for WPA workers.

The other one was about a book he wouldn't even name that had been written by WPA writers with a short story in it by a "negro" .....and how unsavory it was and blah blah blah.....he was a really rotten person.

I'll have to figure out a way to post those other ads to my mac gallery or something.

I just remembered something else about Debardelaben (sp?)...we also found correspondence where he talked about the yankee liberals coming down to Alabama and trying to help his workers and how he ran them out of town or something. Talked is the wrong word....bragged.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 02:46 PM
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7. I think my grandfather may have worked for that company ...
which whould explain a whole lot, actually. :(
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:42 PM
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9. Here are few more of that same breed: Vance Muse and John Kirby.
MUSE, VANCE (1890-1950). Vance Muse, business executive and lobbyist, son of Henry and Henrietta (Harris) Muse, was born at Moran, Texas, on January 6, 1890. After completing his education in the Cleburne public schools he worked in a variety of jobs in Fort Worth and West Texas, including service as a Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce executive from 1917 to 1919. During this time he also became involved in numerous conservative organizations. His association with Texas lumberman John Henry Kirbyqv resulted in Muse's support for higher tariffs. Muse, with his sister Ida Darden, also worked with Kirby and other businessmen to raise money to fight the Adamson Act of 1916, which gave railroad workers an eight-hour day, and to oppose the business-reform legislation of fellow Democrat Woodrow Wilson.

In the 1920s Muse, Kirby, and others lobbied for instituting a national sales tax and for eliminating gift taxes. From 1926 to 1933 Muse served as the leader of a national group that sponsored the Mellon Plan of taxation, an attempt to prohibit Congress from taxing individual incomes in excess of 25 percent. Efforts at raising taxes were highly controversial. In 1934 Muse and Kirby organized the Southern Committee to Uphold the Constitution, financed mostly by the DuPonts and other northern industrial interests, in an effort to prevent Franklin D. Roosevelt's reelection.

Two years later Muse was the leading organizer of Christian Americans, a group he formed to combat what he perceived as radicalism and subversive influences throughout the country. He believed that organized labor in the United States was the source of much communistic influence, and thus he led Christian Americans to support the antiunion movement. During and shortly after World War II,qv when laws to regulate and curb unions were passed in Texas and other southern states, Muse was a leading lobbyist in this effort. The Christian Americans worked for passage of right-to-work laws in sixteen states; the group's lobbying efforts were investigated by the Texas legislature in 1945, but the organization was cleared of all charges of misconduct.

Muse died on October 15, 1950, at his Houston home, where his efforts with the Christian Americans had originated. At the time of his death he was working on a right-to-work amendment to the federal Constitution. He is buried in Fort Worth. He was survived by his wife, Marie (Buckingham), whom he married on November 6, 1912, and two sons.

(Arbitrary paragraph breaks were added for ease of reading)

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/MM/fmu22.html

pnorman
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:40 PM
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10. Old money
the money that was made by those tyrants,their blood money should be taken away and returned to the treasury,and used for health care for the poor in this country.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:42 PM
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11. Some time
a little social justice is called for.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:37 AM
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12. The "American Liberty League" is relevant to this discussion,
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 03:48 AM by pnorman
Here's one link to it: http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/all-both.html At leisure, click on all the other links on that webpage. Then Google each one for verification. I think you'll find that most (if not all?) will check out to your satisfaction.

pnorman
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:27 PM
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8. Conservatives have been pathological liars for hundreds of years.
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