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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:45 PM
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Bill would give president emergency control of Internet
A new U.S. senate bill has been redrafted to give President Obama the power of control to shut down the Internet in case of emergency situations. The 55-page draft that was obtained by CNET appears to permit the president to seize temporary control over private-sector networks in a cybersecurity emergency.

If the bill is passed, it would allow control to temporary disable Internet traffic in private-sectors. "A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001."

Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which contains large Internet and telecommunication companies such as Verizon, Verisign, Nortel and Carnegie Mellon University said "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."

The bill is still unclear what power of control President Obama might receive until it is properly addressed after the Senate's summer recess.

The bill is to protect against cyber threats and attacks on critical infrastructures such as the power grid in case of an attack from a broadband connection. Such control over the Internet may never be

Story at: http://current.com/items/90807921_bill-would-give-president-emergency-control-of-internet.htm
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:46 PM
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1. NO.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:05 PM
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11. LOL! As if our opinion will stop him from doing this.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:16 PM
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14. *him*? It's a Senate Bill introduced by Rockefeller and Snowe.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:51 PM
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19. And Rockefeller is not connected to the
Political Power Grid of the Universe because...?
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:48 PM
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2. Imagine an emergency broadcast system on the internets
you type in DU but are instantly redirected to a message from the President.

Or traffic from certian geographic ip ranges could be redirected to information about a local emergency
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:49 PM
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3. No thanks. China does that. Imagine a hostile administration with
that power.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:50 PM
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4. The Internet was designed for military communications...but that is kinda creepy. nt
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:00 PM
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8. As one of the original IMP programmers
for the ARPA net (as it was called in the early seventies). I can tell you that the "internet" was specifically designed to NOT have centralized command and control points, it was designed to let traffic flow in case of a nuclear attack (yes, for the military).

Shutting down the internet is almost an impossibility.

I say almost, as we have let corporate America take over much of the "trunk bandwidth" of the internet, and restricted the NAPs to only service certain large corporations.

However, the end to end technology is theoretically installed in millions of personal computers, all that is needed is a communication path(s) and some simple routers, even ham radio operators could carry on in the event that the "plug is pulled" by corporate 'murica at the direction of the President or any other would be dictator.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:17 PM
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15. Thank you, well said. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:27 PM
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17. That's exactly right. It was for nuke attack communications. nt
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:55 PM
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5. Chains we can believe in?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:56 PM
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6. I would be really surprised if he can't do that already.
This sounds like political posturing.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:02 PM
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10. I suppose he could ASK the operators of the various
NAPs to turn off the backbone circuits. I don't know if there is current law that would allow him to order it.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:16 PM
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13. I would be surprised if he cannot order it.
In any case, I doubt he would have much trouble getting it done in a "crisis", real or imagined. I'm not supporting it mind you, I just don't think this weasel is adding anything to the President's powers, he's posturing to make himself look good.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:58 PM
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7. I wonder if the events in Iran have anything to do with this.
The Iranian government tried to block the citizens from communicating to the outside world, but the darn internet got in the way.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:01 PM
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9. Um, no.
You may not have that power.
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:09 PM
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12. I've long believed that governments in general hate the internet.
It's not subject to state or even corporate control like the MSM. I'm actually surprised Bush never tried to sneak a bill like this through. Maybe he thought there were too many internets to effectively shut down.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:29 PM
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23. Governments have feelings?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:20 PM
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16. I am not sure the people writing these bills have any concept of how the internet works
Shutting down the internet is no mean feat. Its not really a centraly located thing that you can just turn off. I imagine they could shut down the backbones but that would also bring down most other forms of comunication with it not ecxactly a great idea in a time of national emergency.

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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 02:33 PM
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18. They never think about what the Republicans would do with these powers. We have to remember the
Corporate Lobbyist Party's penchant for totalitarianism. What in the hands of a decent democracy respecting individual is a relatively benign law could in tha hands of another illegal puppet, controlled by our corporate lords, could be disastrous for democracy.

Right now, where would we go for information if we didn't have the internet. All we would have is Corporate M$M! - Total information control. One of the foundations of a totalitarian system.

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:11 PM
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20. The Revolution will NOT be blogrolled.
with apologies to Gil Scott Heron.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:29 PM
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21. How would we feel if bush had this power? nt
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 04:30 PM by Jakes Progress
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 04:58 PM
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22. if Walmart starts to really sell a lot of Halloween stuff, gonna shut it down! satanic rituals!! nt
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:48 PM
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24. It makes a big difference who the president is when I'm thinking about this.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:20 PM
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25. Is this so what happened in Iran cannot happen here? It makes no sense.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:34 PM
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26. No way! The next republican in the WH would filter The Net like communist CHINA does now.
:scared: :thumbsdown:
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 08:33 PM
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27. knr. no
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 06:42 AM
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28. Horrid idea!
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 08:15 AM
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29. NO. No. no. NO.
Clear enough?
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 08:25 AM
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30. That's one way to get me to stay home in November of 2012.
No fucking way I'll reward him with my vote if that goes down. I'll stay home and watch reruns of Law & Order or something.
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canucksawbones Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-29-09 12:18 PM
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31. Declan McCullagh
brewed this piece of horseshit up. He's the guy who started the "Gore says he invented the internet" meme. From there it went straight to Drudge with his flashing lights.

Bottom line is Declan McCullagh is known for building piles of shit and disseminating them as the truth. This story is another of his piles of shit. Link to the original is here

http://current.com/14t964c
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:14 AM
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32. Didn't Bush decide to keep control of the root servers back in 2005?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2005/jul/02/usnews.internationalnews


"The US had pledged to turn control of the 13 computers known as root servers - which inform web browsers and email programs how to direct internet traffic - over to a private, international body.

But on Thursday the US reversed its position, announcing that it will maintain control of the computers because of growing security threats and the increased reliance on the internet for global communications. A Japanese government official yesterday criticised the move, claiming it will lend momentum to the debate about who controls the information flow online.
"

......But even so.....

"Despite many doomsday scenarios, the most recent US decision will have little if any immediate effect on internet users, and given the internet's anarchic nature it may simply represent a desire to assert state control even when it is not possible to do so.

Claudia Bernett, 32, a digital design analyst in New York, said: "Scary as it seems, because of the nature of the internet, I think they'll be hardpressed to create a coherent system that is capable of the kind of monitoring they hope for ... Eventually, the people participating in the system will find the technological means to evade the watchful eye."

Experts say that in the worst-case scenario, countries that refused to accept US control of the main computers could establish their own separate domain name system, with addresses in some places that others would not be able to reach, making the world wide web give way to discrete, regional web domains."
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