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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:34 AM
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WSJ: Why Democrats Are Losing on Health Care
The final paragraph of the article:

"Yes, Democrats can prove that America pays more for health care than other countries; yes, they have won the dispute that private health insurance is needlessly expensive. But what they've lost is the argument that we are a society."

This, in a nutshell, is the problem. This is a battle of fundamental philosophy. You're either a YOYO (you're on your own) or you're for collectively working together.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:35 AM
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1. Why WSJ is losing as a source of news and opinion: they make shit up. nt
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:41 AM
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5. Did you even read the article?
The article is pro-social-health-care. The point they are making is that Democrats are not making the social case for it.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:53 AM
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10. There is no link?
The given quote gives a future event as a present fact?
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:45 AM
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14. OOOPS HERE IS THE LINK
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 11:48 AM by gorfle
I forgot the link!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204731804574387010241108256.html?mod=wsj_share_digg


Sorry
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:35 AM
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2. so tired of these post mortems
when we're still living...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:36 AM
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3. "...they've lost is the argument that we are a society." Wow. Impressive.
That anyone at WSJ could actually think deeply enough to come up with that.

And I agree; as a "society", America is very rapidly falling apart.
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TiredOldMan Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:36 AM
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4. We're losing because our leadership is not leading. They
are standing around and doing very little while the Rethugs are all over them.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:48 AM
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9. Because they're not Leaders
At best you can call them managers.

They manage their stock portfolios, they manage to give themselves COLA every year, they manage to convince stupid people to keep sending them back to Congress, where they manage to get all kinds of money from the same corporations that they are responsible for regulating.

So, they are good managers, but they sure as hell aren't leaders!!!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:57 AM
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15. I recommend this Post! Right On!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:41 AM
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6. Neoliberal economics (free trade, globalism) is based on "Every man for himself"
Yet the "invisible hand" of the market is said to be the modern day spaghetti monster which must be obeyed in all things. The idea that we can become a more civil society via corporatism is incoherent.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:42 AM
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7. we're losing because the corporatist right wing OWNS the media
The brutal fact is that the only reason single payer and the public option might be defeated is that everyday in America there are HUNDREDS of hours of blatant propaganda, lies and misdirection.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:42 AM
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8. 'There is no such thing as society' - Margaret Thatcher
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=106689
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:55 AM
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11. We're losing in part because of shit 'journalism' like the wsj produces. nt
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:11 AM
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12. We are losing because money is winning. n/t
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:23 AM
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13. No the CCM and WSJ are LYING because WE ARE WINNING.
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 10:25 AM by Vincardog
The Progressive caucus has said we have to have a public option.
Pelosi has said we will have a vote and there will be a PO.
The American people have said we have to have a PO

And the WSJ said we are losing?
:wtf: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
When the reich wing talks remember that they are lying
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