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newsjunkie Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:20 AM
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Big Worries about Kerry on Lou Dobbs
Buyer's remorse setting in? Don't ever say we Deaniacs didn't warn about this. I still can't believe the Dem leaders screwed us AGAIN. We could've had Howard Dean but they purposely took him down. STUPID!

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0404/28/ldt.01.html

DOBBS: Meanwhile, many Democrats are also growing frustrated with one key member of their own party, Senator John Kerry. He's under increasing pressure in some quarters to find a defining strategy for his campaign.

Joining me, our senior political analyst, Bill Schneider.

Bill, what are you hearing about this obviously unrest?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: Consternation is what I'm hearing from Democrats. They expected John Kerry to be doing a lot better in the polls.

Polls have come out in the last week. They show him still behind President Bush. After a month of trouble, rising gas prices, casualties in Iraq, lots of setbacks, the 9/11 Commission, they thought Kerry would be doing better. Some are saying it was a mistake for him to get into a fight with President Bush over national security credentials. That was a fight he can't possibly win.

You're hearing criticisms of the polls. Democrats are saying, forget the national polls. Look at the battleground states, where Kerry is just barely holding even with President Bush. And you are even hearing some unreconstructed Howard Dean types out there who say, we ought to push John Kerry off the ticket, just get him out of there, replace him with a tough guy like Howard Dean.

DOBBS: Like Howard Dean.

Bill, what must Kerry do to bring these Democrats back into the fold and to turn it all around?

SCHNEIDER: He needs a defining theme.

In ever election where a challenger has won, he's done it by finding a theme that Americans want that they're not getting to the incumbent. When Carter won after Watergate, the defining theme was morality. When Reagan won after Carter, his defining theme was leadership because Carter was wishy-washy and ineffectual.

Clinton won after the first George Bush. His defining theme was empathy. He felt your pain. And Bush won on character. What do Americans want right now that they're not getting from President Bush? In a word, they want unity. They want someone who can unify the country, because he can argue, if Kerry adopts this strategy, President Bush promised to bring the country together and he hasn't done that. I'll give you my favorite poll. The "Washington Post"/ABC News asked a question last week that said, do you think President Bush has united the country or has he divided the country? And you know what the answer was? Fifty/fifty.

(LAUGHTER)

DOBBS: Amazing. Bill Schneider, thank you very much.


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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:24 AM
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1. Sorry but I don't give two shits about what CNN has to say!!
RNCnn!

:puke:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:28 AM
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2. "Deaniacs"?
Edited on Thu Apr-29-04 05:34 AM by soundgarden1
250 posts? hmmm.

If you were a true Dean supporter wouldn't you be listening to Dean and supporting Kerry?

What's your point?

Personally, I think Schneider's waaaaay off. I think George W, like his father, will lose not because his rival blows everybody away - but because the Bushes are fucktards who are terrible with money.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:14 AM
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26. I agree. I consider myself a 'Deaniac' and I support Sen. Kerry. (nt)
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:34 AM
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3. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You don't exactly come off as a Deaniac to me.
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newsjunkie Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 07:50 AM
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11. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You dont exactly come off as anyone I would give a flying F what you think about me or anyone who would have a clue about what a Deaniac is.
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:43 AM
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4. Punditocracy, Pimps, and Whores
Yawn.

All the punditocracy is in a "Kerry-Is-In-Deep-Trouble" moment at this time.

The fence-sitting whores can't figure out which pimp they want smacking them around and working them down...the RNC or DNC.

Sometimes I think they are more guilty of promoting poll phobia to the general viewing public than the general public is in believing unfailingly in polls on their own.

The current environment is a result of fallacious reasoning and over-reliance on polls as useful. As blunt statistical instruments they are useful, but I remain very dubious of surveys of ANY kind when it comes to statistical dead-heats. The failure in reasoning by the punditocracy is a result of viewing politics as zero-sum; if Kerry is doing well then Bush has to be doing poorly and vice versa. This ignores the whole concept of baselines, i.e. that this is probably about as bad as Kerry will do for the remainder of the campaign and hopefully this is about as good as Bush will do (a ceiling) for the remainder of the campaign.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:43 AM
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5. Citing Bill (Bush* Kiss Ass Supreme) Schneider?
LOL!
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:45 AM
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6. "And Bush won on character"

Hmmph...

Pardon me while I'm unimpressed...

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newsjunkie Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:51 AM
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7. I guess the truth hurts
Bash me for my 'post totals' (WTF?) if it makes you feel better. I am usually on the Dean blog working to get a REAL change in this country..not here trying to prove how MANY meaningless posts I can make cheerleading for Mr Sominex because Terry McAwful 'said to'.and I couldnt care less if I'm 'popular' here or not. I've read most the regulars here for years,and Im not really that impressed either. I think for myself.
Better wake up....we are operating with the same electorate that was SO close it allowed Bush to steal the election(with a little help from his friends) and like Dean said all along,you cant beat Bush like that.The Democrat party should've listened to him. Kerry has to motivate new voters and appeal to the progressive Democratic wing and he's not doing it. He puts people to sleep.He agrees with Bush on too much stuff and he is letting Bush define who he is. Yes Dean will vote for him and try to help him get elected because he (Dean) is a team player,but the fact remains Kerry is as boring as watching paint dry and everyone but the base is going to hold their noses to vote for him. Dean's our only hope of real change and progress and winning back the Whitehouse.

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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 05:52 AM
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8. Bullshit ...
Americas "want unity"? No, American's want jobs, healtcare, to be able to take care of their aging parents, good schools for their children, clean air and water ... I don't think anyone gives a damn about some politician bringing this country together.

Besides, is Schneider suggesting that Kerry run *'s 2000 campaign of lies--"I'm a uniter, not a divider"? Does he really think that Americans are so stupid that they'll believe it again, no matter who says it? Kerry is not going to unite this country ... he's going to fight hard and kick ass on those GOP hypocrites who got us into this current mess.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 06:00 AM
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9. WOW! Wouldn't that be great,
dump kerry!! Get someone with balls!! Maybe it's not too late for America!!! One more chance!!

Go Wes!!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 07:01 AM
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10. I wonder why CNN is spreading doubts about Kerry...
... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why... I wonder why...
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 09:06 PM
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18. CNN is in the Repugs back pocket.
Most of the anchors on CNN are slanted to the right so bad many DUs sent CNN a volley of emails of complaint last week. Wolf is the worse followed close by Candy IMO. Even when they have 2 speakers on they usually end with the Rep side being heard last because that leaves their BS ringing in your ears! Masters of deception...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 08:49 AM
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12. Dean had buyer's remorse before Kerry. So I don't get your point..
Edited on Thu Apr-29-04 08:51 AM by Kahuna
:shrug:

As far as CNN's report about some "unnamed" democrats expressing fears about Kerry, it's all bullshit. How do I know it's bullshit? Because of the facts. Kerry is doing good, not bad. He is even with an incumbant and leading in battleground state polls. Given this, why would any Dem leaderss, save for Zell Miller and Ed Koch, be wringing their hands over Kerry?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 09:09 AM
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13. Geez, can't you guys admit that Kerry looks weak?
That damned flip flopping ad is effective because it shows Kerry in his own words and they are playing it all the time.

Seeing Kerry on TV talk about the Vietnam war and how he went with his conscience in opposing that war only contrasts with his stance on Iraq. I don't get why he sees Vietnam and Iraq differently. Don't his criticisms of Vietnam go to the heart of what is wrong with Iraq?

I get the feeling that the only reason he is supporting the Iraq war is because he thinks he needs to in order to be President. That is a terrible thing.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 04:43 PM
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17. Because Kerry can beat Bush, Dean can't
Edited on Thu Apr-29-04 04:46 PM by Mountainman
That is what the majority of primary voters thought and that's how they voted. I agree with them.

If Kerry is weak, Dean is weaker in most peoples minds. The repubs were salivating to go against Dean. Kerry is a much harder match for them. The repubs don't want you to support Kerry and they are doing a good job at it. Divide and conquer.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 09:24 PM
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19. I too liked Dean but
it is best to step back and run with who looks like a winner! None of us can afford another 4 years of Bush! There won't be a country left by then! The media spin killed Dean, but Repugs were eager for Bush to run against him because they would have torn Dean to pieces. Kerry does need to start acting like he OWNS his anti-war feelings IMO. Show some PASSION and stop acting like he feels guilty because of being against Vietnam!!! His passion to rally against that war is why I like the guy!
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 05:45 AM
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22. Some people want Bush to win to punish Kerry for beating their candidate
Kerry beat every other Democrat in the race, deal with it.

You can either work to help America or you can try to undermine the only person who has any chance of beating Bush.

There are no other options. Dean and the others are not candidates anymore, so get on the Kerry bandwagon or do nothing and let Bush win. It's Bush or Kerry, those are the only two options anymore.

Blood will be on the hands of any Democrats and Greens who help Bush get elected in 2004.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 09:43 AM
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14. so, will Schneider by on Dobbs tonight....
saying Bush's poll ratings are their lowest point ever, and that with regard to his "analysis" last night.....never mind?
I didn't think so.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 02:34 PM
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15. Kerry was not the best candidate but for sure neither was Dean
nt
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 03:55 PM
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16. I didn't like Kerry before I joined Dean's campaign
I new that after he voted for IWR he proved to me again that Kerry makes the wrong choice on major issues, like war. He was wrong in 1991 voting against war and wrong in 2002 voting for war.

I've never been impressed with Kerry's leadership ability and he's one guy I wouldn't follow into battle.

Bush on the other hand, I want impeached, dragged before a War Crimes Tribunal, and put in a cell next to Saddam and the other dictators.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 09:28 PM
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20. Guys: Democratic primary voters selected Kerry.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 09:46 PM
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21. The real problems is that Kerry is listening to Bill Schnieder
He actually believe Kerry is too confrontational on foriegn policy? I dought it. Anyway Bill Schieder is a known republican pollster, and I don't know why CNN puts him on without a democratic pollster to balance out his bias.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 10:21 AM
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23. Only in our "Alice in Wonderland Thru the Looking Glass World" can media
Edited on Fri Apr-30-04 10:27 AM by flpoljunkie
whores, like the American Enterprise Institute's resident fellow, CNN's Bill Schneider* get away with repeating the absolute absurdity below:

"Some are saying it was a mistake for him to get into a fight with President Bush over national security credentials. That was a fight he can't possibly win."

The Emperor Has Clothes because they are bestowed upon him by our pliant, feckless media. It is totally unfathomable that Bush receives such high polling marks on national security--except for the press continually repeating this absurd mantra.

Taking the nation to a totally unnecessary war in Iraq, without major support from our traditional allies and with no plan for the peace, is not a sign of national security leadership. It is a sign of gross incompetence. How many soldiers must die and how much treasure must we expend for the neocon's dream of bringing democracy to Iraq and remaking the Middle East. We owe it to the Iraqi people to stabilize their country, after removing Saddam Hussein, and the Iraqis must now be allowed real sovereignty over their own country.

Bush diverted the war on terrorism and Osama Bin Laden's Al Qaeda, with an unjustified detour into Iraq--which is increasingly becoming a quagmire because of the Bush administration's continued ineptitude.

*Link to Bill's Schneider's bio at American Enterprise Institute: http://www.aei.org/scholars/scholarID.53/scholar.asp
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GaryL Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:05 AM
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24. Bullshit!
The press is in full "gore" Kerry mode. Rove is ochestrating 99% of what we hear from these talking dipshits and it's not going to stop. If Dean was the candidate we'd be hearing about his skiing trips instead of Kerry's medals.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:13 AM
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25. Kerry has been ELECTED to be the Democratic standard bearer.
I think that there are a few fringe Dems and some Greens who are not so (small d) democratic who would support removing the elected standard-bearer in favor of an unelected/appointed/selected one.

I also think that this baloney is being pushed by Bill Schneider and is a pipe dream for him and other Repugs.
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