The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh tells the whole dirty story in detail

of the Iraqui prisoner abuses, the CIA and MI and names names.

a must read

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/040510fa_fact

But I am glad there were a couple of soldiers there who did not permit the abuse to continue. That's why America is great: some of us have the courage to stand against what's wrong.

Forward this one to everyone you know there is much more to this story than 6 bad soldiers.
Scott

:puke:

I could not finish the article... but what I read made me sick. Apparently this was encouraged by the "military intelligence" people. What kind of "intelligence" would NOT realize that this kind of treatment would confirm every fear, every dread, every charge made by the bin Laden types? If there's a better way to make Iraquis hate us, I can't think of it.

I'm just sick.

..understaffed by inexperienced guards, and military intelligence telling them to do what was necessary. This is the worst combination one can think of. It could only have been designed by the Bush junta.

Many people will be as cruel as they are given permission to be, as some very pointed psychology studies have shown.

However, torture never works. For one thing, it's nearly impossible to recall detailed information when one is under severe physcial and psychological stress. For another, as the article pointed out, a victim will simply, through trial and error, finally discover what the torturer wants to hear and say it, just to make the pain stop.

The intelligence officers who gave these barely trained guards carte blanche to do whatever they wanted should also be on trial. We do not torture people because of who they are, but because of who WE ARE.

:grr:

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

If it wasn't lost already, it is now.

Killing Arabs is one thing, but humilating them in this fashion will turn them against us more than any bomb or bullet.

It isn't just Bush anymore, it's the rank and file GIs who are perceived as evil.

Might as well get out now, 'cause we ain't welcome and never will be.

that the "Contractors" were drug through the streets, burned and mutilated. The Iraqi people were well aware of who they were and what the have been doing.

That is why these contractor criminals have no business in a war zone and it is also the reason the Bush regime wants them there. These people are nothing more than paid assassins.

This privatized army must be disbanded and all contracts canceled or we will lose all control of this country. This is the Bush Private Paramilitary that defend these Neocriminals.

There was evidence dating back to the Afghanistan war, the Ryder report said, that M.P.s had worked with intelligence operatives to “set favorable conditions for subsequent interviews”—a euphemism for breaking the will of prisoners.

Remember when allegations of torture came out during the John Walker case, and the stories about mass executions by Rashid Dostum of our prisoners at Mazar-e-Sharif? Remember how we were savaged when we suggested that CIA operative Mike Spann knew that the prisoners were going to be killed?

Remember how those DUers that raised those issues were berated and attacked for being un-American?

BBC story on the incident:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1681513.stm